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What's the problem with 4am sunrises?
Because most people would prefer the 4am-5am hour of sun in the evening after work.
What, morning sunlight is worse than evening sunlight?
Timezone Bullshit
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#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your argument sounds very similar to the "let's abolish timezones" argument so let me post this again: https://qntm.org/abolish Changing your schedule works for you and your boss, but does not let people in other parts of the world know when they can reach you. Officially shifting something is necessary, and then you might as well have timezones.
It's a while since I read that article, so I may forget some details, but I do recall that I found it pretty stupid. It somehow assumes that it would be harder to find out what the regular working hours are in a country are than it is to find out what time it is in that country, possibly in addition to what the regular working hours are. If Google today tells me, "It's now 5PM in Singapore", with no time zones it cou…
Fine, let's have separate working hours for every region. Now, how do you determine what longitudes share working hours?
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#153Odd, I have been using CST6CDT on my OpenBSD servers. Is this not a normal construction?
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's absolutely right to criticize insane behavior even if said behavior is documented. LOL "helpfully" being substituted to the output is absolutely insane.
No it isn't. If you tell your computer that the timezone your machine is set to is called "LOL", then of course that's what it should report. What else would it do? It truncated the name because of the underscores, but you can do `TZ=somerandomthing date` to see it just reports what you say it is.
Various behaviors when requesting time in a non-existent timezone:
sane: report an error in some hard to ignore form
less sane: ignore the provided timezone, display the time in UTC and properly mark it with "UTC"
insane: ignore the provided timezone, display the time in UTC, but then mark it with the prefix of the provided timezone anyway.
I don't care how well documented the insane behavior is, it's still insane.
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#155I'm still hoping .beat time[1] will catch on but I have been waiting since 1998... I even made a watch-face for my smartwatch showing .beats [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time
I'm guessing (from your name and enthusiasm) that you live in a place where 0 approximately corresponds to midnight? :)
Lunch at @500...
Re: Timezone Bullshit
#156Obligatory post to Computerphile episode about Timezones - a must watch for developers just starting out with Timezones
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah. Any sufficiently coordinated schedule change would involve as much headache as clock changes.
More of a headache, even. Sadly, DST is the only good way to have everyone synchronize a schedule change like this.
Those who argue for eliminating DST but somehow still preserve some form of winter/summer hours are basically arguing for eliminating DST and then recreating it poorly.
You either do DST or you mostly just pick a timezone and stick with it year round.
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's absolutely right to criticize insane behavior even if said behavior is documented. LOL "helpfully" being substituted to the output is absolutely insane.
No it isn't. If you tell your computer that the timezone your machine is set to is called "LOL", then of course that's what it should report. What else would it do? It truncated the name because of the underscores, but you can do `TZ=somerandomthing date` to see it just reports what you say it is.
> If you tell your computer that the timezone your machine is set to is called "LOL", then of course that's what it should report. What else would it do?
If `TZ=EST date` adjusts the offset to EST, then a reasonable person would expect `TZ=EDT date` to either adjust the offset to EDT, or fail noisily if it's not aware of that offset code.
At a skim through the documentation I don't see anything warning about it's current behaviour.
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because most people would prefer the 4am-5am hour of sun in the evening after work.
What, morning sunlight is worse than evening sunlight?
For many people? Yes. They wake up in time to go to work and they do their outdoor recreational activities in the evening. Of course, there are morning people who appreciate early morning time to go for a run or whatever but I'm willing to bet that most people prefer their sunlight after work.
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a while since I read that article, so I may forget some details, but I do recall that I found it pretty stupid. It somehow assumes that it would be harder to find out what the regular working hours are in a country are than it is to find out what time it is in that country, possibly in addition to what the regular working hours are. If Google today tells me, "It's now 5PM in Singapore", with no time zones it cou…
Fine, let's have separate working hours for every region. Now, how do you determine what longitudes share working hours?
I don't see how the question is relevant. I'm generally not communicating with collections of longitudes. I'm communicating with people. They can tell me what their working hours are.
The point is that they already have to, since working hours are, in fact, not identical between neither regions nor people within a region.
That said, I'm not saying that we should abolish time zones. I'm just saying that that article is stupid and fighting a straw man.