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Right, if I could edit (too late now it seems) I would add "from post WWII till about the late 70s".
So we went from heavily left to middle of the road for a few decades to back to left? Sounds like reversion to normal state of affairs.
Our political divide has little to do with facts. More than anything it's driven by the hyperbole produced by popular media. I have watched the right and left respond to the media's outrage of the day, week, month, on cue, and stop just as fast, for years now. More than anything our political divide is a result of our fandom based culture and "fans" don't care about facts. We grow up with this. If you're born in New…
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No, it's the other way around: if you share your personal experience with me, I'll respect you more than I would if you instead shared facts. At least, that's the authors' claim. But what it means to "share facts" in these studies is not what you might anticipate. In Study 5, for example, participants speak with someone who disagrees with them about gun control. In the article, we're told that these interlocutors "of…
Narcissism. "I've read many books and governmental reports..." is (presumably) a fact. It's a fact about the person saying it and not about the issue. It's a way to claim "I know what I'm talking about" without evidence. Unfortunately in today's world, you can be well read in any subject and still end up on either side based on what you've read.
So people who aren't presented with enough cues to create trust (and even the strongest rationalist has their own thresholds here, e.g. your heart surgeon, a Nobel laureate, etc) would be factored into account. Citation only matters to the listener when trust doesn't exist, esp when "determinations of truthfulness in the universe" isn't even what the researchers care to study -- but rather, how respect develops between the people who receive trusted facts vs trusted experiences :)
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"My parents can hold conflicting viewpoints simultaneously, in sentences one after another, and have no problem with it." They probably say the same about you. The hard truth is that most people hold conflicting opinions. It usually takes about 20 years of being an adult to come to this realization.
Also opinions and perspectives change. I was quite liberal, politically, in my 20s. In my 50s I'm quite conservative, though I would never have thought that could be the case when I was 22.
That's a nice change.
My people on the left keep doing the "fat shaming" equivalent (scolding) for politics and policy. Stubbornly wrong.
Most of the advice about debating and persuasion is worse than wrong. This article calls out the "backfire" effect.
I was one of them. I eventually figured out it doesn't work. I've been trying to find and learn better strategies.
I've tried to apply lessons learned from Camp Wellstone, Prof David Domke, http://www.heroesnarrative.org. (I even study people from the other side, like Frank Luntz, Ben Shapiro, Grover Norquist. Know they enemy and all that.)
I'm also very impressed by ideas from deradicalization, cult deprogramming, Chris Voss' (hostage negotiator) "radical empathy" and others. Guarded optimism that this stuff will help.
I'm just so sick of the food fight. Alas, there's still real work that needs to be done. And I'm forever trying to figure out how to sneak progress thru the chaos of war.
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So we went from heavily left to middle of the road for a few decades to back to left? Sounds like reversion to normal state of affairs.
The New York Times is generally a liberal publication, but not a leftist one. An example of a leftist publication might be Jacobin https://www.jacobinmag.com/ for example.
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Please do not perpetuate flamewars on HN and do not cross into personal attack yourself. It's not what this site is for and it's no ok here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
I'm respectfully exchanging ideas. I challenge you to find my personal attacks. Please do not blame me for the content other users post.
If you don't think that was crossing into personal attack and breaking the site guidelines, you're underestimating the impact of your comments. it would be a good idea to recalibrate by reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and remembering that this sort of comment always lands with far stronger impact on the reader than the commenter thinks it will. Objects in the mirror are much closer than they appear.
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There's a bunch of ads promoting making vaping illegal, on terrestrial radio/tv fear mongering about heavy metals aimed at the 'Karen' crowd. As far as I can tell they are based on a few people who died after consuming grey market THC cartridges and some studies where the scientists intentionally cranked up the wattage above spec to get metal release. Glycophosphate (Round-Up) allegedly caused cancer in a few workers…
> This is of course despite both an excellent safety record and lack of safer alternatives, asserted by many studies and meta studies from the FDA and the European equivalent. Leaded gasoline had an extraordinary safety record for decades before suddenly being recognized as dangerous. The story is actually fascinating. But my point is this is actually not as strong of an argument as you might think, especially since…
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I'm respectfully exchanging ideas. I challenge you to find my personal attacks. Please do not blame me for the content other users post.
You needn't look far—there was a personal attack in your GP comment: "you sound, frankly, like some sort of political zealot". Swipes like that are certainly not respectful, and they're definitely not ok in HN comments. Actually, every single sentence in that comment had some sort of swipe in it. If you don't think that was crossing into personal attack and breaking the site guidelines, you're underestimating the imp…