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U.S. insurrectionists received $500k in bitcoins from French donor

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I hope this will get attention. Just so more people will realise that bitcoin is dangerous to use and accept because it is not private. Even if youre doing nothing wrong, would you want to unintentionally receive funds linked to this?

Same thing could be said about the Internet. You are leaving digital traces and fingerprints all the time. Are you going to stop using the Word Wide Web?

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#152

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I spend time on gab and parler (I'm not a believer, I'm just curious). It really looks like it's people who genuinely feel Joe Biden will be the end of america. They think the stock market will crash and dollars will be useless as Biden ushers in some kind of communism. From the volume of comments on the posts, there's quite many of them. This run will probably last as long as their finances allow. I don't think it'l…

Tbf I think there was also a lot of people who genuinely and truly believed that Obama, as in - a black president - would be literally the end of America. I have no idea what those people think now, but I'm also not terribly keen to find out.

I haven't seen enough direct evidence to attribute that.

It's very plausible but I don't want to lump independent groups together.

In the same way that many leftist groups really don't like each other and it's probably wrong to lump them together.

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#153

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I present to you the words of Kristen Clarke, Biden’s future head of the DoJ’s Civil Rights division: “Melanin endows blacks with greater mental, physical, and spiritual abilities — something which cannot be measured by Eurocentric standards.” This is just one quote from her letter, which goes on at length about black superiority. I think the problem we have right now is we have two sets of standards. People that hav…

> The book, she said, “was generating wide acclaim for its racist views” and her intention in opening the letter “with an absurd claim that Black people are superior based on the melanin in their skin” was to “hold up a mirror to reflect how reprehensible the premise of black inferiority was set.” > “It was meant to express an equally absurd point of view — fighting one ridiculous absurd racist theory with another ri…

So she sets the record straight over 20 years later, only after being appointed by Biden, that she was only pretending to be racist. Yeah... sure...

Would you accept this statement from a white supremacist?

Again, we need consistent rules against racism. Otherwise you're opening the door to racists and extremists on both sides.

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#154

I hope this will get attention. Just so more people will realise that bitcoin is dangerous to use and accept because it is not private. Even if youre doing nothing wrong, would you want to unintentionally receive funds linked to this?

The Lightning network in conjunction with Tor will make tracing of transactions nearly impossible in the future.

However right now the technology to properly anonymize bitcoin already exists via coinjoin wallets. The most mature implementation so far is the Samourai Wallet using Whirlpool.

If you are doing it right there is no danger using Bitcoin at all. In fact it might even less dangerous than any other method of anonymous transactions including physical delivery of Gold.

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#155

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For those who don't know this reference... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words

It's disgusting how such primitive people can still exist in our modern world. Yes, we have many people doing horrible things all over the world, but people being vile because their ancestors had less sun than others is a special kind of pointless stupidity.

> It's disgusting how such primitive people can still exist in our modern world.

Disgusted sure, I am with you on that.

But "can still exist?" With the number of stories just on HN about social media dark patterns and recommendation engine rabbit-holes?

It's difficult to understand that as anything other than puffery.

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#156

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Also, the bit about 'the industrial revolution and its consequences that have been a disaster for the human race' slightly paraphrases the opening of Ted Kaczynski's manifesto Industrial Society and its Future , which is quite popular with accelerationists and eco-fascists due to his relative success as the 'Unabomber'.

also popular with edgy twitterposters and anons, and a large swath of online news-aware people under 40. there are plenty of sunday morning accelerationists for whom all these sentiments could more accurately reflect malaise and disenfranchisement from party politics that increasingly represent no one. personally i wouldn't grant many of these statements much more weight than 'subscribe to pewdiepie' however as insti…

theres a terrifying amount of acc/horticulture/anprim edgy twitterposters that follow nick land @outsideness that have a large overlap (if not a circle) with neo nazi twitter

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#157

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It's disgusting how such primitive people can still exist in our modern world. Yes, we have many people doing horrible things all over the world, but people being vile because their ancestors had less sun than others is a special kind of pointless stupidity.

>It's disgusting how such primitive people can still exist in our modern world. What a snobbish and elitist thing to say. Try saying that to the Sentinelese or Amazonian tribes that still don't have contact with our messed up globalist world. One of the reasons we are living in this chaotic time is because of a growing middle class elite living in metropolitan areas who are either unwilling or incapable of understand…

I don't think the parent meant any disparagement to actual primitive tribes. Why did you assume that?

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#158
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>Do you avoid using cash too because criminals use it? I probably would if cash were only used by criminals and speculators.

Many legitimate uses of BTC have been accounted for. Are torrents also bad because pirates often use it?

This is not a discussion of protocols, it's a discussion of being associated with known bad actors.

Suppose that I have a history of doing semi-illegal things and that my wallet is publicly associated with real personhood.

Example. gretch = id 1234; buys drugs which are legal in country x and highly illegal elsewhere

Now one day I come to your completely legal business and make a completely legal transaction

Example. I come to your bakery and get my wedding catered

Now you just received a lot of money from an account which is on several bad actor lists and you have to explain what happened. Okay, you can try to explain that the services rendered were completely legitimate; hopefully the investigators will believe you because that's what all money launderers try to do.

Alternatively, you as the caterer need to research the actor behind incoming transaction for your innocuous service.

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#159

This article uses loaded language to make a defamation claim against Nick Fuentes. Nick Fuentes is still on Twitter, and pinned to the top of his page is photo evidence that shows the person they are asserting was in the Capitol is not him. He was wearing a suit. The photo of him at the steps of the Capitol is not incriminating in any way. He was protesting along with 250K+ other conservatives in Washington DC. It's…

Pretty sure if he made it to the steps, he would have crossed through a police barricade. That means he was protesting on restricted grounds w/o lawful authority and plenty of others have been arrested for that same violation. Not sure why he wouldn't be liable for the same.

Do you even know where the barricades were and where this photo was? He said that photo was on the lawn. If this guy was guilty he would have already been arrested by the FBI. Guy is in a suit and a public personality. He's even still got his Twitter account, despite the Purge. The rest of the article goes on to imply that the addresses who received Bitcoin were also involved in the riot but provides absolutely no evidence to that claim. The donor's motivations do not mention some sort of secret plan to attack the Capitol.

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#160

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You don't use wording like that on accident. Being one word off from a white supremacist quote in a message sent to white supremacists is incredibly unlikely to be accidental.

> You don't use wording like that on accident Stupidier things have happened in the past. I bet more than half of HN wouldn't know that quote if you removed the "white" part, so not so unlikely that someone who doesn't know it, sends it to others as the sentiment (without the "white" part) is actually pretty good.

> more than half of HN wouldn't know that quote

The donor here is not comparable to typical HN users. They've gone out of their way to make a large donation to known white supremacists.

Also, if you read the donor's suicide note (in the article), there is a reference to the Weimar Republic and there is a holocaust denier code phrase. (I won't encourage its spread by copying it here, but it's in one of the highlighted sections.)

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