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Study: All non-violent criminals jailed on minor drug offence should be released

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Re: Study: All non-violent criminals jailed on minor drug offence should be released

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Post by offtop5 »

paxys wrote: post #128
offtop5 wrote: post #49

Society needs to have something between jaywalking and attempted murder. Right now if you fish without a permit in the wrong place you're a felon and you will never be able to get a decent job for the rest of your life. The entire reason the American criminal justice system is like this, at its core is to punish minority groups. I don't ever see this changing, and it's a big part of why I want to make an exit by 40.…

It is called misdemeanor and several classes of it exist. And no, fishing without a permit isn’t a felony anywhere in the US.

>And no, fishing without a permit isn’t a felony anywhere in the US.

Your 19 and you run, you get caught and the local DA adds a few charges.

Life ruined.

This of course depends on how rich your parents are. If your parents can bail you out next day, and get a good lawyer it's just a bad memory.

Re: Study: All non-violent criminals jailed on minor drug offence should be released

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Post by remote_phone »

aaomidi wrote: post #54
cubano wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The problem after that is the stigma that follows you around forever. Tell me about it. Between my prison "stigma" and the discriminatory ageism that is very prevalent in the industry, and even though I have 30 years professional programming experience, I am currently finding it impossible to find any work. Can someone please tell me...what am I supposed to do at age 55? Find a new "career"...doing what? I know ple…

The call to end prisons, police funding, and prison funding is partially to solve this exact problem. I don't think ANYONE should be able to request a federal background check. I don't think background checks should be allowed for employment or housing. Same as credit checks. A person is either safe enough to be in society, or not. There should NEVER be an in between state. And before you say anything: 1. Yes I am fi…

Child sexual predators have one of the highest probabilities of recidivism, so for the sake of your children I hope you change your mind on that.

Re: Study: All non-violent criminals jailed on minor drug offence should be released

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Post by princevegeta »

aaomidi wrote: post #144
cabaalis wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this black and white view is how the constitution was written, and in boolean logic would be how it is designed. But reality has many shades of grey. Would you trust your personal banking to an institution with history of leaking/mishandling/selling everything about you, or losing records of your balance? Would you trust your health information to a doctor with previous history of kickbacks, malpractice, lax…

> Would you trust your personal banking to an institution with history of leaking/mishandling/selling everything about you, or losing records of your balance? > Would you trust your health information to a doctor with previous history of kickbacks, malpractice, lax HIPAA compliance? Were the proper precautions taken so that this won't happen again? Then sure!

How would one ensure that it wouldnt happen again?

Re: Study: All non-violent criminals jailed on minor drug offence should be released

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Post by rwmurrayVT »

tyingq wrote: post #80
rwmurrayVT wrote: post #7

The #1 issue in the USA beyond simple conviction and incarceration is rehabilitation. At the federal level, where I have personal experience, it seems like it's entirely retribution instead of rehabilitation. I was in a federal prison camp and it is primarily an exercise in leisure. The entire day was composed of well.. nothing. If you like reading, fresh air, and exercise you're in luck. If you like alcohol, drugs,…

"The problem after that is the stigma that follows you around forever." This is worse than it used to be, as companies of any size can now pull not just convictions, but arrests as well. And not just felonies, but misdemeanors too. Background checks used to be less accessible. They are now cheap, fast, and easily nationwide or worldwide.

Every one and their mother can run a background check or google your name to find your history. It's very accessible compared to even 10 years ago.

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Post by rwmurrayVT »

torben-friis wrote: post #85
rwmurrayVT wrote: post #7

The #1 issue in the USA beyond simple conviction and incarceration is rehabilitation. At the federal level, where I have personal experience, it seems like it's entirely retribution instead of rehabilitation. I was in a federal prison camp and it is primarily an exercise in leisure. The entire day was composed of well.. nothing. If you like reading, fresh air, and exercise you're in luck. If you like alcohol, drugs,…

> The #1 issue in the USA beyond simple conviction and incarceration is rehabilitation. Don't you think one helps with the other? Honest question. As in, the less people in the system, the easier it would be to dedicate to each person the resources needed to rehabilitate, rather than just keeping them inside?

Yes. The smaller the population the more resources per person.

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Post by rwmurrayVT »

gowld wrote: post #78
rwmurrayVT wrote: post #7

The #1 issue in the USA beyond simple conviction and incarceration is rehabilitation. At the federal level, where I have personal experience, it seems like it's entirely retribution instead of rehabilitation. I was in a federal prison camp and it is primarily an exercise in leisure. The entire day was composed of well.. nothing. If you like reading, fresh air, and exercise you're in luck. If you like alcohol, drugs,…

Since it's HN, to clarify: When you write "programming", do you mean "writing software", "rehabilition activities", or both?

Programming in this context means activities that are available to better yourself. There are very little chances for education, skill training, drug therapy, etc. It varies wildly institution to institution.

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Post by rwmurrayVT »

SkyBelow wrote: post #137
rwmurrayVT wrote: post #7

The #1 issue in the USA beyond simple conviction and incarceration is rehabilitation. At the federal level, where I have personal experience, it seems like it's entirely retribution instead of rehabilitation. I was in a federal prison camp and it is primarily an exercise in leisure. The entire day was composed of well.. nothing. If you like reading, fresh air, and exercise you're in luck. If you like alcohol, drugs,…

>The #1 issue in the USA beyond simple conviction and incarceration is rehabilitation. At the federal level, where I have personal experience, it seems like it's entirely retribution instead of rehabilitation. Do people generally want rehabilitation? I find that when I talk to people, they want rehabilitation for minor crimes and retribution for major crimes, but when feel comfortable enough with talking about it, th…

There is also a large disparity between drug crimes and financial crimes. The mandatory minimum for 1 pound of heroin or cocaine was 2x-5x my entire sentence for securities fraud that caused substantial financial swings by even the most lenient of accounting.

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Post by specialist »

dado3212 wrote: post #102

Locked In by John Pfaff does a great job of discussing prison reform, and the fallbacks of common mantras (such as this one). He observes that "setting every drug offender free would cut our prison population by only about 16 percent...still more than 200,000 people -- and that's a huge number by any measure." Because many offenses/crimes were dropped as part of plea bargaining, it's also hard to indicate how many wo…

What's your wishlist of reforms?

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Post by princevegeta »

SubuSS wrote: post #87
iridium_core wrote: post #10

Just legalise all drugs and let the free market decide. We could create innovative new substances which are safer and less socially damaging, compared to the plants and fermented liquids we happen to have stumbled upon millenia ago.

What do you think should be the government's role in protecting the gullible and easily seduced? Most of these drug laws are about this in essence: We are fast approaching a world where low level labor becomes more and more superflous. This is going to mean that there will be a growing portion of humanity on welfare in essence. How do you see that working out for humanity in a world with fully legal free access drugs…

I think the least bad option is to let allow people to make mistakes and learn from them. How would you feel about sending people to prison for eating junk food, smoking a cigarette, drinking a beer, wasting time on social media/watching netflix? And afaik countries that have decriminalized drugs and focused on harm reduction actually end up with less drug addicts. Its also worth noting that most cases of overdoses are caused by the drug either being cut with something stronger or the user just taking too much due to high inconsitinsies in purity with each purchase
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