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Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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I've read comments saying, "if you don't like Apple's policies, build a new smartphone." Are these people aware that that the same type of argument lead to the creation of parler: "if you don't like twitter censorship, build a new platform". It will be built. What then? At this point we are heading towards a complete mitosis of our information channels based on political ideology.

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Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Problem is: what constitutes acceptable moderation? Much of the “cancelling” going on now is strained deliberate misinterpretation of intentions/statements of opponents, a power play for a political purge. Problem is: how to specify what moderation is acceptable for Apple et al, without making it abundantly clear how biased/bigoted/unfair the demands are?

> Much of the “cancelling” going on now is strained deliberate misinterpretation of intentions/statements of opponents, a power play for a political purge.

Citation needed. Alternatively, did you forget to add "in my opinion" somewhere in that sentence?

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Every single player in this saga deserves nothing but contempt. Trump is reprehensible and his supporters are brainwashed. Big Tech conglomerates now openly disenfranchise and deplatform millions of people simultaneously through a coordinated effort. The implications for the future of speech and dissent are terrifying. Just disgusting and depressing in every way. An internet utopianist's nightmare.

I don't want to live in the United States of Trump. I don't want to live in the United States of Dorsey, Bezos, Zuckerberg, and Pichai. The only way out is through sweeping antitrust enforcement against the entire tech industry.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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post #146

I've read comments saying, "if you don't like Apple's policies, build a new smartphone." Are these people aware that that the same type of argument lead to the creation of parler: "if you don't like twitter censorship, build a new platform". It will be built. What then? At this point we are heading towards a complete mitosis of our information channels based on political ideology.

>It will be built.

I don't think we're going to get a "red" phone. Seems more likely that we'll just see people get Parler on Android through channels other than the Play Store.

>What then?

There's a lot of additional attack vectors. We've already seen Amazon move to boot Parler off its web infrastructure. If that fails to kill the platform, we'll likely see attacks on anything related to its financing, or things like CloudFlare protection. If that fails I could see progressives abandoning net neutrality to lean on ISPs to block traffic.

In reality I don't think we'll get all the way there, but we'll get close enough that a stable "red social media" ecosystem will emerge that's out of reach of cancellation. In the long run this may work out worse for everyone.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Regardless of my/your thoughts on Parler, godspeed to those engineers. Assuming a majority of Parler infra is hosted on AWS, and it wasn't built to be multi-cloud, moving hosting providers in ~36 hours seems like a herculean task.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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post #146

I've read comments saying, "if you don't like Apple's policies, build a new smartphone." Are these people aware that that the same type of argument lead to the creation of parler: "if you don't like twitter censorship, build a new platform". It will be built. What then? At this point we are heading towards a complete mitosis of our information channels based on political ideology.

Political ideology that is unethical deserves no platform, cheating, killing, attacking, are all examples of that. Nobody deserves to get a platform, and nobody gets to trample other peoples’ rights either.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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post #146

I've read comments saying, "if you don't like Apple's policies, build a new smartphone." Are these people aware that that the same type of argument lead to the creation of parler: "if you don't like twitter censorship, build a new platform". It will be built. What then? At this point we are heading towards a complete mitosis of our information channels based on political ideology.

Yes, fascists living in their own bubble end up congregating just with fascists because most of the rest of society doesn't want anything to do with them. This is a recurring theme in history.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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post #146

I've read comments saying, "if you don't like Apple's policies, build a new smartphone." Are these people aware that that the same type of argument lead to the creation of parler: "if you don't like twitter censorship, build a new platform". It will be built. What then? At this point we are heading towards a complete mitosis of our information channels based on political ideology.

> At this point we are heading towards a complete mitosis of our information channels based on political ideology.

Not just information channels. This is probably going to go well beyond just news: next, businesses. The orthodoxy does not know boundaries.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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post #23

Regardless of your political persuasion, you should be concerned about this. Massive multinational corporations having this much power over our speech is not healthy. If they can do this to a sitting President of the US, they can do it to every single one of us.

> If they can do this to a sitting President of the US, they can do it to every single one of us.

I've seen this exact statement on various other platforms from conservative commentators. And it's basically horseshit. Now you're concerned? Seriously? Google accounts have been locked out with no recourse for years, apple bans apps left and right and facebook 'moderates' posts based on some interesting thresholds.

I find it disingenuous to suddenly care about this when Trump finally gets kicked off twitter and a horde of extremists are blocked from inciting violence against the government.

You wanted free markets? Here they are. If you have a problem with it, move to a different platform. Build your own platform. Host it yourself. Nobody owes you anything.

And guess what? Because of the republican led FCC, the ISPs can block your extreme right-wing website. Total freedom for the ISP to do whatever the fuck they want.

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