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Re: Quitting a New Job

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Post by shuckles » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 10:32 PM UTC

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #88

jfk13 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is all on top of the fact that engineers are woefully underpaid. I have finance friends that make literal millions in yearly bonuses. This is virtually unheard of in software, even though we provide orders of magnitude more value. That doesn't necessarily mean engineers are woefully underpaid. It may just be that your finance friends are obscenely overpaid. Though whether all/most engineers provide "orders of…

Well, we have this myth of meritocracy, but some proffessions are systemically underpaid like teachers - millions of future earnings depend on them, but noone ambitious wants to become a teacher, so our schooling kida sucks

Really great teachers could probably find a way to make huge incomes. I tutored competition math on the side to rich families’ kids for nearly $500/hr.

Re: Quitting a New Job

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 10:33 PM UTC

hasmolo wrote: post #144

gregkerzhner wrote: post #118

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A few things here: 1. Background check companies usually only contact the positions you list to verify your dates of employment and title. They probably won't contact a job you don't let them know about. 2. If it helps you sleep at night, you can still fill out the background check form accurately, but leave stuff off your resume / not talk about it in the interview. Again, there is no rule that you need to talk abou…

i’ve actually done this. my tact was to leave off resume and disclose in background check. i got an email asking why the job i left out wasn’t that n my resume. i simply said having it on there always drives the conversation to why i’m morally opposed to that business after working there. that’s apparently a fine answer and i was given the offer. going forward i’m just gonna leave it off the resume and the background…

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Re: Quitting a New Job

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Post by shuckles » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 10:35 PM UTC

01100011 wrote: post #44

I realized a few days into my current job that it was a bad fit for me. Unfortunately I'd have to pay back the $10k relocation package if I left, so I decided to stick it out. Last year I interviewed with a company and was ready to take the job but I had drinks with the manager and decided it was too much of a brogrammer shop for me. Looking back, if I had taken the job, I would have worked with friends, the brogramm…

I have never heard of anyone paying back signing or relocation bonuses if they didn’t want to. It’s usually not worth it for the company to pursue.

Re: Quitting a New Job

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 10:35 PM UTC

dvt wrote: post #29

I've done this before. Got an offer while I was still interviewing with a few other companies. Accepted the offer then a few weeks later another, significantly better, offer came through. I have absolutely no qualms about it, and I don't put the tiny stint on my resume. My work and expertise speaks for itself. It's sad that job hunting has become rife with Machiavellian machinations in the past three decades, but thi…

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Re: Quitting a New Job

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Post by nraynaud » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 10:37 PM UTC

asciident wrote: post #60

richardwhiuk wrote: post #27

> the upper rungs of Stripe’s engineering individual contributor (IC) ladder put a lot of emphasis on cross-team coordination and other, managerial-like activities that I didn’t enjoy and felt I wasn’t very good at. That's just the reality of senior IC engineering positions. At some point, there's a limit to the amount that you can contribute by sheerly by your own work - to have a bigger impact, you'll need to need…

This is true. It takes a while for some people to really accept this, as it breaks the lone coder myth. There are some people who consider communication and influence to be politics, and think they can do their job solely by programming.

you can also lead by example instead being verbal and deliberate in your communication.

Re: Quitting a New Job

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Post by __turbobrew__ » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 10:40 PM UTC

narag wrote: post #110

I quit a job before even starting. They called me and told me that they had decided to pay me a good chunk less than we had agreed upon. I was in the last days of my two weeks notice for my current job. I had no option. Except that... five minutes later, my current boss made a counter-offer. And ten minutes later it was me who called those charming people to apologize for the inconvenience. After what they had done,…

Margins for hardware tend to be thinner than software which typically means less salary, not as nice offices, and more bean counters.

I imagine there are exceptions to this rule (Nvidia).

Re: Quitting a New Job

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Post by sweeneyrod » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 10:41 PM UTC

dvt wrote: post #29

I've done this before. Got an offer while I was still interviewing with a few other companies. Accepted the offer then a few weeks later another, significantly better, offer came through. I have absolutely no qualms about it, and I don't put the tiny stint on my resume. My work and expertise speaks for itself. It's sad that job hunting has become rife with Machiavellian machinations in the past three decades, but thi…

Anthony Levandowski got a $120m bonus. What makes you think he is less of an outlier than your friends are in finance? (although FWIW unless your friends are very senior I suspect they're lying about getting million plural bonuses)

Re: Quitting a New Job

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Post by wolco2 » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 10:45 PM UTC

It wasn't fair to others for you to stick it out because your heart wasn't in it so you wasted everyone's time training you for a few months only to quit when you are finally half productive.

The real reason you left is the commute and office decor. Moving from a 15 walk to an hour trainride is a big change. Moving to an environment where people care more about product than impressing people is a huge culture shift.

In the end covid would have forced everyone wfh anyhow.

"I figured it wasn’t really fair to my colleagues at Nuro to stick in a job that my heart wasn’t in."

So, in the end, I decided that option 2 was the best fit for me. I continued at Nuro and did my best to get up-to-speed and to contribute to my team’s work, but at the same time jumped right back into the job market"

Re: Quitting a New Job

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Post by theptip » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 10:45 PM UTC

MattGaiser wrote: post #5

pavel_lishin wrote: post #3

> As I noted in a previous post, switching teams is a lot easier than switching jobs. I didn’t do this before I left Stripe because there weren’t any other teams that I was super enthusiastic about at the time. But, in retrospect, I probably should have given this a try before quitting. A few years ago, I was looking for a new job after being laid off. I had two competing companies to choose from, and chose the one t…

Does this solve the other problem, that job hopping is the best way to get a raise?

The power move is to have an offer in hand and then tell your company that you're considering leaving for , but you'd like to give them a chance to beat your new offer by .

Some companies will flat-out refuse to negotiate in this way as a matter of policy, and some will really appreciate you giving them the opportunity to bid to keep you; it really depends on the company and their comp strategy. I think as long as you're earnest about the conversation and don't try to run a bidding war, most companies won't burn bridges with you over a round of negotiations in this fashion.

Re: Quitting a New Job

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Post by carlineng » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 10:46 PM UTC

Animats wrote: post #34

At Stripe and each of my jobs before that, I had had a short commute to a beautiful office, and got to experience the instant gratification associated with developing purely software-based products. Now, I was stuck taking a crowded train to a dark office littered with hardware parts, working on a product that would take many years to reach mass-market adoption due to pesky little things like manufacturing and road s…

"working on a product that would take many years to reach mass-market adoption due to pesky little things like manufacturing and road safety."

I know that sentence was probably meant to be humorous and not taken too seriously, but it comes off as smug and disdainful. Manufacturing is very difficult, and road safety is anything but trivial.

He joined the company because he believed in the mission, but then decided the lifestyle tradeoff wasn't worth it? His conviction must not have been very strong to begin with.