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The Internet Is for Porn

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Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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fullshark wrote: post #104
est31 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those same mothers would likely be very glad if their daughter got a man with a well paying job, lots of money, and a big house. They think more in terms of their generation, how women's access to status worked back when they were young. Onlyfans opens a different way for attractive women to attain wealth. Much safer, and with way less pain involved than going through a marriage that was done for the money instead of…

Well that is a truly cynical perspective on life and marriage.

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Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by spaceribs »

jejejfjf wrote: post #97
neartheplain wrote: post #8

Porn isn't going anywhere. The oldest known depiction of a human figure is pornographic [0]. Since porn will always exist, better that it be produced and consumed in the open, legally speaking. Sex workers deserve the same safety and labor protections as the rest of us. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_of_Hohle_Fels

Jesus, you've got to be kidding me. Are you going to tell me that the "Birth of Venus" is also "pornographic"? Besides, whatever porn may have existed 1000 years ago, internet porn is a completely different thing, and should not even be compared.

Why shouldn't it be compared? Is there something intrinsically different other than accessibility and quantity?

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by adwn »

ben_w wrote: post #133
adwn wrote: post #22

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> As an asexual person, I wish this wasn’t the case, and I find it extremely triggering how hard it is to completely avoid adult content online. By "extremely triggering", I assume you mean "somewhat annoying"? Why does it annoy you that "adult content" is difficult to avoid completely? Should a homosexual person be annoyed (or "triggered") that depictions of heterosexual behavior can't be avoided completely? Or vice…

I’m not @lostgame and I’m not ace, but I can easily imagine that a constant barrage of stuff that you’re not into could be triggering/empathise with someone saying that it troubles them. For example, and I know this is a “me” problem rather than something objective in the world: I find BDSM quite repellent because (a) I cannot at a glance tell if the image presented is roleplay or actual assault, and (b) because I am…

> I find BDSM quite repellent [...] orgasm-noises in porn [...] upsetting

I'm not denying that some people feel that way, but it's extremely easy to avoid coming into contact with depictions of BDSM or pornographic orgasm noises – unless you deliberately browse adult content.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by bonoboTP »

Melting_Harps wrote: post #146
bonoboTP wrote: post #122

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> Whereas in Europe and Asia nudity is completely accepted in many public areas, and sex work is tolerated, legal and is just another, albeit uncommon, thing people do for a living and nothing more This is way overemphasized on the Internet by people who don't have much experience with living in Europe. It's similar to Europeans imagining that in the US it's an everyday thing that people are dying left and right beca…

> Nudity may be less stigmatized than in America, but prostitution is not something normal people as just another job that they'd be happy if their daughter chose it. On the surface, people may seem more tolerant of it, but privately they definitely act differently. When I was in my last year of apprenticeship in Switzerland I managed one the estates of the owner's homes for most of the year while they worked in Bern…

Well, it's entirely possible that I'm underestimating how prude America is, as I haven't lived there.

In some ways it seems America is quite hyperfixated on sex, but in very specific ways with specific taboos. Like nipples are the end of the world, but selling anything from cars to hamburgers with sexy women is A-OK. Just paste a sticker on the nipples at least, then it's fine. Cheerleaders, boxing ring sign holding girls etc. etc.

In contrast, the European things you mention, like bathing and saunas and beaches are not about drooling over bodies, but just being normally without clothes, often among family. Not sexually.

I think these need to be distinguished. Sexuality isn't equal to nudity.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by Munksgaard »

jejejfjf wrote: post #116

Nobody is talking about the users's perspective. If you pay $20 for nude photos, there is something seriously wrong with you. Either you crave some kind of female connection, or have some porn addiction, or something. How can we fairly and properly treat an industry which necessarily relies on abuse, on either the producer side or the consumer side?

People happily pay $20 to go to the movies. Why are nude photos, which might have same ratio of $/hour of entertainment or better, so much worse?

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by julianmarq »

This article's main point left me deeply confused. Isn't mostly men behind OnlyFans? And also aren't male performers in general paid significantly less than female performers in porn? I feel like things like that were deliberately left out of the article because they didn't contribute to the narrative it tried to build.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by chr »

prox wrote: post #40
vsareto wrote: post #20

I'm glad that monetized platforms like Twitch and OnlyFans exist. It's an accessible way for the younger generations to make ludicrous amounts of money for not too much up-front investment. There's definitely work and downsides involved, just not like some lesser paid, more credentialed professions. Hopefully this puts pressure on the essential jobs in society to actually raise compensation in comparison. The rest of…

OnlyDeskJobs is my next startup, funding at eleven!

I'd subscribe to "Lisp tricks" by Lars Ingebrigtsen or Rainer Joswig.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by [deleted] »

vsareto wrote: post #61
corobo wrote: post #55

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> The rest of us boring, unattractive folks The battle cry of the can't be arsed. The difference between them and you is you applied for the desk job.

>The battle cry of the can't be arsed. Can't be arsed to do what?

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Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by est31 »

fullshark wrote: post #104
est31 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those same mothers would likely be very glad if their daughter got a man with a well paying job, lots of money, and a big house. They think more in terms of their generation, how women's access to status worked back when they were young. Onlyfans opens a different way for attractive women to attain wealth. Much safer, and with way less pain involved than going through a marriage that was done for the money instead of…

Well that is a truly cynical perspective on life and marriage.

Not every marriage is that way, there are many marriages where real love exists for decades. Those are a great ideal to strive for! But status and wealth is and remains a big component in the dating market.
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