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Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by nr2x »

nr2x wrote: post #42

I had a few instances of OwnCloud and various NAS setups over the years. Then I had a kid and dumped everything into iCloud when I realized I’d no longer have time to keep it all secure/patched. Time cost of these setups is real.

To respond to a few points, my calculation was thus:

1) could I fail to detect a failure of an auto-update or novel exploit because I’m more busy now?

2) if so, could something very bad happen?

I got two “yes”s. It still annoys me to have everything in iCloud, but I also have local copies so I’m not too stressed about account lock out.

Otherwise to each their own, it wasn’t an easy decision to give up the autonomy, but the risk/reward equation changes when my time became more scarce.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by amelius »

alanbernstein wrote: post #149
amelius wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why can't these services have a more realistic pricing model. Like you pay once for storage, and per amount of data used, and power? Paying a monthly fee for data you don't access seems like a dishonest pricing model. (I can see that a part of the fee has to be per-month, but it shouldn't be so large).

How is it more realistic to have somebody maintain hardware and software over time, and not pay for that service over time? Their business doesn't care if "you only buy the hard drive once".

The point is that a subscription with a 2TB harddrive is much more expensive than a subscription with a 100GB harddrive.

I just want a to pay a fair price. Not a price based on ungrounded assumptions.

It's like going to a restaurant where the food is cheap but the drinks are crazy expensive.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by ulisesrmzroche »

nobody9999 wrote: post #63
buzzerbetrayed wrote: post #41

The one thing really keeping me from getting off Google is YouTube. For everything else there are good alternatives. But YouTube really is the only viable player in the online video game.

>The one thing really keeping me from getting off Google is YouTube. For everything else there are good alternatives. But YouTube really is the only viable player in the online video game. The thing I hate most is ads. And YouTube (unless you pay them) gets ever more aggressive with showing ads. The pre-roll ads are bad enough, but interrupting a playing video with a couple of ads (as happened to me the other day) is…

You've never heard of a commercial break? Find that hard to believe.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by kentonv »

mkl wrote: post #65
indigodaddy wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to have remained quite popular, so there must be reasons why people like it. Someone else just replied “less maintenance,” but I think a lot of it does have to do with a single webpage/all-in-one portal type application where you can do all the “my things” at. Eg, sandstorm is in that sort of category. It is pretty convenient. Note I have played around with sandstorm but never used next cloud. And sandstorm…

Sandstorm was a neat idea, but unfortunately it seems like it is nearly dead: https://sandstorm.io/news/2019-09-15-shutting-down-oasis > As much as I love Sandstorm, it’s hard to come home from my successful day job to work on an unsuccessful side project. And so, I have been spending less and less time on Sandstorm. I still push updates every month to keep the dependencies fresh, but hadn’t worked on any new feature…

FWIW, this post came after that one, and there has been somewhat more development activity this year compared to last:

https://sandstorm.io/news/2020-02-03-reviving-sandstorm

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by [deleted] »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #147
ssss11 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear your point (2 young kids) and there’s plenty of things I’ve done that with, but this isn’t one of them. I have a Synology NAS and probably spend less than 5 mins a month on it.

I think synology NAS are great, and thats exactly what they are designed to do. My problem with them is, i don't need as much storage and would orefer more CPU Synology has this habbit of equipping their lower end models eith too little RAM and underpowered CPU It is also harder to share it, as the 'owner' can usually see all data thats in it

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Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by ulisesrmzroche »

nobody9999 wrote: post #95
jonas21 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's usually the content creator who chooses how many ads run in a video and where they appear. I can't really blame them for putting in enough ads to make a living off of it. And nobody is forcing you to watch the ads -- you can get rid of them for $12/mo. Or are you saying that you expect people to produce quality content for you for free?

>And nobody is forcing you to watch the ads -- you can get rid of them for $12/mo. Or are you saying that you expect people to produce quality content for you for free? They are not. And I generally don't. In fact, I rarely watch YouTube. When I do, it's generally to find a specific song or video clip (both usually decades old) to forward along to someone else. In those situations, I would be shocked if the "owner" o…

I don't see your point. You didn't buy the YouTube content. You're watching it for free. How about you just don't watch YouTube?

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by cjbconnor »

shimonabi wrote: post #122

I use Nextcloud for the calendar, the to-do deck and to access my Samba shares over HTTPS. That said, I would never put anything important on it. I had at least 5 upgrades in the past 2 years result in total failure, with an unrecoverable instance and corrupted DB.

I've also experienced upgrades corrupting my DB a couple times over the years, and once emptying the trash caused DB issues as well.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by jmnicolas »

nr2x wrote: post #151
nr2x wrote: post #42

I had a few instances of OwnCloud and various NAS setups over the years. Then I had a kid and dumped everything into iCloud when I realized I’d no longer have time to keep it all secure/patched. Time cost of these setups is real.

To respond to a few points, my calculation was thus: 1) could I fail to detect a failure of an auto-update or novel exploit because I’m more busy now? 2) if so, could something very bad happen? I got two “yes”s. It still annoys me to have everything in iCloud, but I also have local copies so I’m not too stressed about account lock out. Otherwise to each their own, it wasn’t an easy decision to give up the autonomy, b…

You could have local copies of what you had in OwnCloud too, so I don't understand the point of going to iCloud.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by aborsy »

2ion wrote: post #144

Selfhosting is neat until you really start thinking about durability, reliability, quality, integrity. Never self-host important data with at least doubly redundant backups incl. regular offline backups. On that thought, also never have a single authoritative copy without backup online. If all important photos are on Google Photos with no backup, you're doing it wrong. If you have important data in Onedrive with the…

Would you mind to explain the encryption part?

— what software and algorithm do you use?

There could be problems with some of these programs.

— how do you handle the key management to ensure that you are not locked out of your data?

I am not sure if memorization of the secrets is a good approach.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Post by jmnicolas »

amelius wrote: post #152
alanbernstein wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it more realistic to have somebody maintain hardware and software over time, and not pay for that service over time? Their business doesn't care if "you only buy the hard drive once".

The point is that a subscription with a 2TB harddrive is much more expensive than a subscription with a 100GB harddrive. I just want a to pay a fair price. Not a price based on ungrounded assumptions. It's like going to a restaurant where the food is cheap but the drinks are crazy expensive.

Whatever disk capacity you buy your data sits on multiple disks running 24/7. It costs electricity + maintenance when disks break.

If you want a fixed price you have to do it your self. It will be cheaper, but less safe, less accessible and more involved.

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