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Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by complianceowl »

indolering wrote: post #144
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But crimes of mere "possession" (e.g. child pornography, drugs) are especially susceptible to framing because the existence of the contraband in a person's personal effects are all that is needed to presume guilt. Child pornography, or really any digital asset, is doubly suspect because it is so much easier to "place" these digital assets on someone's computer or phone, whereas with drugs you'd need physical access t…

I have brown friends who get searched every time they are pulled over or go through airport security. I have had friends who were told to STFU and take a frequenting ticket or spend the night in jail (and thus risk losing their minimum wage job). I even had a friend who was led to a cop car by the FBI but (thankfully) he refused to get in because there was a mysterious baggie in the back (which was surreptitiously sp…

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Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by selflesssieve »

vyrotek wrote: post #6

What other platforms compete with Zoom with comparable API integrations? We need features including: OAuth, Meeting scheduling, meeting link generation (without requiring user accounts), managing recordings, meeting status webhooks, etc. https://marketplace.zoom.us/docs/api-reference/zoom-api

Jitsi- use it, love it, host my own instance. Only downside is the api’s are a bit cumbersome using prosody.

https://github.com/jitsi

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Post by smaddox »

rixed wrote: post #147
Aarostotle wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it’s just apples and oranges. The USA is a flawed constitutional republic that runs on a messy democratic process. It’s ugly sometimes, but it’s fundamentally good. The PRC is something else.

To be fair, the parent was not comparing those governments from a democracy standpoint, but was comparing their actions. Surely the Chinese government is currently more oppressive to its own population than the USG is, but it is also doubtlessly less oppressive to foreign populations, which may suggests that they differ in circumstances more than in essence and maybe why the parent equated them?

> but it is also doubtlessly less oppressive to foreign populations

... So I assume you're counting Uighurs as non-foreign populations? Perhaps you should rethink your perspective.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by throwaway554322 »

sergiotapia wrote: post #8

I will speak with other leaders at my company to move us away from Zoom for conferencing. If you're a leader how can you read this and not only tolerate it, but pay for it? This is it.

If I changed companies every time a fired employee did something shady, then there wouldn’t be many companies I can choose from.

Besides, Zoom works really well, and if I propose a change, then I have to own that change and any future problems become my problem.

Unless you are the boss, it’s easier to maintain the status quo.

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Post by archibaldJ »

treepunch wrote: post #143
archibaldJ wrote: post #136

I’m working on a ZOOM-alternative for online events and gatherings that uses twilio: https://lo.fish It is built on eilixir & will be open-sourced soon. (The next step I’m looking to make it E2E.) There are also existing ZOOM-alternatives like https://gather.town

>post an invite-only service >leave no information on how to get an invite

my apologies it's still in private beta (& I'm a bit occupied with my full-time at the moment)

you can follow lo.fish's twitter page if you're interested! The free-trial give-away starts in jan

https://twitter.com/l0f1sh

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Post by ashtonkem »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #114
sneak wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forget the charge - we should strive to presume the innocence of anyone charged with anything. Bringing charges is not evidence.

But crimes of mere "possession" (e.g. child pornography, drugs) are especially susceptible to framing because the existence of the contraband in a person's personal effects are all that is needed to presume guilt. Child pornography, or really any digital asset, is doubly suspect because it is so much easier to "place" these digital assets on someone's computer or phone, whereas with drugs you'd need physical access t…

For drugs, it depends on your social status. It’s not unheard of for cops getting caught planting drugs on low status individuals to justify an arrest. Turning off your camera and “finding” a bag of heroin is often enough to secure a conviction, since juries trust cops.

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Post by throwaway554322 »

pstrateman wrote: post #39
ipnon wrote: post #31

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CEO is an American citizen[0], Zoom is headquartered in San Jose[1] and listed on NASDAQ.[2] [0] https://blog.zoom.us/navigating-a-new-chapter-for-zoom/ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoom_Video_Communications [2] https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/zm

If you think someone born in China who hires Chinese people in China to do all the engineering work isn't still Chinese then you haven't been paying much attention to how the CCP operates.

I guess that makes Tesla a South African company. Should AMD and Nvidia be Taiwanese companies?

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Post by 99_00 »

gruez wrote: post #15

Is this likely to go anywhere? The press release says an arrest warrant was issued, but the person charged isn't in custody. I doubt china is going to send him over, nor is he going to be on a plane headed to the US anytime soon, so nothing's going to happen to him unless he decides to enter the US?

Any country with an extradition treaty with the US is obligated to arrest him on behalf of the US if he is in their jurisdiction.

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Post by rixed »

jariel wrote: post #14

The real issue is how such a fundamentally important thing - video communications - isn't rock solid and a commodity by now such that any of FAANG, Verizon/AT&T and a host of others don't provide it as easy as anything else. Imagine if you thought CCP were reading your emails? Would your company/school/government use that service? I don't think so. Having supply chain problems for ASICS is one thing. But 'video confe…

At this stage "nailing it down" means creating a good protocol that can be standardised upon. This is what the tech world cannot do any longer since it became driven by market forces. Market is not the right process for building good standards, the closest it can grow is monopoles. Committees are admittedly not the panacea either. Unfortunately we can't go back to the scale of the small tribe where it's easier for the good solutions to meet consensus.

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Post by paganel »

gonehome wrote: post #58

So much for “Zoom is committed to supporting the open exchange of ideas and conversations” - it was clear this was nonsense when they said it, but the stuff alleged here is way worse than even I would have predicted. These people are awful - Zoom should be avoided (along probably with any company operating primarily out of China, under influence of the CCP). https://zalberico.com/essay/2020/06/13/zoom-in-china.html

Companies like Zoom are probably 5th column-like entities. Had someone told me something like this just a couple of years ago I would have called that person crazy or paranoid, but the latest moves from the CCP have cemented that belief for me.

Again, I was almost totally against Tik Tok's de facto nationalisation ordered by the Trump administration, but seeing executives like this one acting on the orders of the CCP as part of a huge IT company lead by a Chinese citizen (and I now presume also a CCP asset himself) has reversed that belief for me.

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