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Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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The fact that a majority of the comments are whining about the name really shows you the worst part about open source: the non-contributing but highly entitled part of the community. If you don’t like the name, launch your own CentOS replacement. There’s no better time than now. If there’s one thing this project does not need right now, it’s armchair marketing experts. If you do care about a viable CentOS replacement…

What's wrong with the name? It seems fairly uncontroversial to me.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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What is the vision for Rocky Linux? A solid, stable, and transparent alternative for production environments, developed by the community for the community. Hence the name Rocky Linux, I suppose? Solid as a rock. Although I'll be inclined to think of it as series of movies. Perhaps even split wood before installing Rocky 5?

I think of Rocky the moose from Rocky and Bullwinkle. Not a confidence-inspiring name. Edit: actually Rocky was the flying squirrel.

I think of the Rocky Mountains myself

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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post #124

The fact that a majority of the comments are whining about the name really shows you the worst part about open source: the non-contributing but highly entitled part of the community. If you don’t like the name, launch your own CentOS replacement. There’s no better time than now. If there’s one thing this project does not need right now, it’s armchair marketing experts. If you do care about a viable CentOS replacement…

It’s pretty funny that anyone would complain about a Linux distribution being named after a developer’s given name.

I mean, it’s Linux.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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post #61

Great, another Linux distro... I am trying to use something , but I just can't. Spending my time fixing problems instead of doing actual work is fun, for a while. Every damn time I start this one laptop with Linux, trying to get away from Windows 10, there's something to fix. Oh, the undervolt is not being applied, time to build the whole thing again. Oh, restart causes it to wank the hard drive indefinitely for some…

To be honest I can feel you.

In terms of DE. More focus and hard work is on building something "cool" than something stable and less buggy. I would have been happy with Gnome if the base OS is stable. Yes KDE turned out to be better, but that was the least important of all cases. Lots of work hours have gone into making XFCE, LXQT, KDE, Gnome, Guix, Cinnamon, XFCE, Mate etc etc. The choice argument is futile if I or someone cannot be productive in it and spends time in linux forums. 100 Choices will never make open source more popular. You just need 1 damn good choice that "just works". Time and energy is precious.

As much as Windows is criticised, you will rarely have any issues with it in terms of hardware compatibility.

Coming to Rocky-Linux, this is server side offering. Plus its model is different to general desktop linux you use for day-to-day.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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I have not seen much mention of alternatives to RHEL besides Oracle Linux. Another excellent alternative exists here: https://scientificlinux.org/

Scientific Linux/Fermilab did not release a version 8, and instead opted to install CentOS 8 on their clusters instead of roll their own version.[1] 1: https://listserv.fnal.gov/scripts/wa.exe?A2=SCIENTIFIC-LINUX...

I hope they make a comeback or join Rocky efforts

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

RHEL kernel versions are basically incomparable with vanilla kernel versions. They have hardware support and occasionally entire new features that have been backported from newer kernels in addition to the standard security & stability patches. This means that RHEL 7 using a "kernel version" from 2014 will still work fine with modern hardware for which drivers didn't even exist in 2014.

That is not a good thing. RH frankenkernels can contain subtle breakage. E.g. the Go and Rust standard libraries needed to add workarounds because certain RH versions implemented copy_file_range in a manner that returns error codes inconsistent with the documented API because patches were only backported for some filesystems but not for others. These issues never occurred on mainline. And for the same reasons that th…

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Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Debian's package policies can be challenging for rapidly updating packages: https://lwn.net/Articles/835599/

For packages like Kubernetes or big data packages one should not use anyone else's builds. I have been finding problems in Cray's modules and eventually we are using our own builds we can reproducibly support using Spack.

I would say for any piece of software, if the vendor themselves provide a package for your distro, use that, not the distro version.

In fact I’ll go a step further and say Windows and macOS got this right, in that third party developers should do the work to “package” their apps.

It would be insane for Microsoft to maintain packages for every piece of software that ships on Windows, but somehow that’s the situation we’re in with Linux.

Hopefully Snap or Flatpak changes this!

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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post #61

Great, another Linux distro... I am trying to use something , but I just can't. Spending my time fixing problems instead of doing actual work is fun, for a while. Every damn time I start this one laptop with Linux, trying to get away from Windows 10, there's something to fix. Oh, the undervolt is not being applied, time to build the whole thing again. Oh, restart causes it to wank the hard drive indefinitely for some…

I agree it is a problem. I think there are several reasons: 1. It's a mountain of work and loads of people involved are doing it in their limited spare time. 2. It's even more of a mountain of work because Linux developers have to write all the hardware drivers themselves too. On Windows drivers tend to be written by device manufacturers but that rarely happens on Linux because it's very difficult to write closed sou…

Text-based config files are one of the best features of Linux. Duplicating and managing Windows software configurations is a nightmare by comparison. Making a reliable modern Linux system is pretty easy; usually you don't need to do anything much beyond installing, but if you do, the solid reliable text config and service management files make it easier than any other OS I've used.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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post #153
post #124

The fact that a majority of the comments are whining about the name really shows you the worst part about open source: the non-contributing but highly entitled part of the community. If you don’t like the name, launch your own CentOS replacement. There’s no better time than now. If there’s one thing this project does not need right now, it’s armchair marketing experts. If you do care about a viable CentOS replacement…

It’s pretty funny that anyone would complain about a Linux distribution being named after a developer’s given name. I mean, it’s Linux .

Debian also did this.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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The branding here I think is a big issue. The name "Rocky Linux" sounds too homebrew and unprofessional. CentOS sounds Enterprise-ish. I find it hard to believe any corporate client would take it seriously.

The biggest public company in the world is named after a fruit.
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