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Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

#151
post #48

"But senators, we can't break up these three unrelated services because they all use the same messaging infrastructure!"

Ok, so instead of breaking you up into three companies, we'll break you up into 4. The fourth can own the messaging infrastructure and license it out to anyone interested.

I can find a legal solution to your technical blockades. Be careful what you ask for.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

#152
post #48

"But senators, we can't break up these three unrelated services because they all use the same messaging infrastructure!"

I laughed at this because I thought the same thing. Conspiratorial or no, that line of argument won't fly. Saying everything is so integrated that it can't possibly be decentralized is basically proof of monopoly.

> Saying everything is so integrated that it can't possibly be decentralized is basically proof of monopoly.

This doesn't matter from the standard of antitrust law. What most fail to grasp is that being a monopoly is not illegal. It's only illegal to use monopoly power to harm consumer welfare.

In this case integration between services is a pretty strong defense against this. Facebook can argue that consolidating the infrastructure allows them to deliver each product at a lower cost and/or higher quality than if it was served independently.

If the court accepted those facts, then Facebook would have a ironclad argument against being broken up under the consumer welfare standard.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

#153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Signal needs to up its game. The experience is very far from being as polished as Telegram.

Is Signal's desktop experience still an electron app?

Yep, it's still terrible, and still refuses to load non-encrypted messages for you.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

#154
The subject of the antitrust suits filed against Facebook came up in a Facebook comment thread for me yesterday.

Some guy piped up and stated, essentially, that "Zuckerberg is too rich and too big and nothing will happen.". He evidently had never heard of Standard Oil or Ma Bell.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

#155
It looks like they've had issues for a while now. 'December 2nd' ? " Invalid Page Welcome Message for Messenger Destination Ads"

- The thought of 'ads' in a private messaging app repulses me. I don't use any of these three apps. Mostly since they all require you hand over your mobile phone number. Which then becomes a very powerful 'foreign key'/unique identifier to so many other third or fourth-party marketing databases which might also have it.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

#156
The subject of the antitrust suits filed against Facebook came up in a Facebook comment thread for me yesterday.

Some guy piped up and stated, essentially, that "Zuckerberg is too rich and too big and nothing will happen.". He evidently had never heard of Standard Oil or Ma Bell.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

#157
post #111

It's not only Facebook, a lot of services, Deezer, some operators in France... https://downdetector.fr/

Solar flare - Solar Cycle 25 is here https://news.ucar.edu/132771/new-sunspot-cycle-could-be-one-... https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/solar-cycle-25-is-here-na... The sun is awakening with ‘solar storms’ that could affect Earth - https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/12/08/solar-stor... A Powerful Solar Flare Produces Bright Northern Lights This Week - https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmack/2020/12/09/a-powerf…

'Solar Flares'?

I recognize a fellow BOFH...

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

#158
post #148
post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When did FB geoblock users in the US?

Sorry if my wording was unclear. The US part only referred to getting in trouble. If you wonder why I think they may geoblock European users, it's mostly because that's how many American companies are dealing with GDPR (especially retail businesses, but also major media outlets).

My bad, sorry

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

#159
post #81
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My bet is BGP. Its always BGP.

It's been a while since I studied routing, but have they fixed BGP security? I remember reading about the protocol and thinking something like: this seems awfully "hippie-trust" levels of security. Granted, this was 10 years ago so my recollection of BGP is super fuzzy :-D

To be fair, BGP only runs between large network operators. The security / trust of routing agreements is mostly solved through business deals and contracts.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

#160
post #30

Quick, build a competitor

There are hundreds of facebook alternatives websites already and dozens of Instagram and Messenger and WhatsApp. I guess tiktok will literally replace Instagram very soon (not because of this outage, but it will help).

Isn't tiktok videos? Of the people who I watch interact with Instagram, easily 90% of their consumption is pictures

Watching even a short video isn't the same experience as rapidly scrolling through a gallery of pictures

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