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Uber sells self-driving unit in deal that will push Aurora’s valuation to $10B

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Re: Uber sells self-driving unit in deal that will push Aurora’s valuation to $10B

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I think it was the publicly stated strategy because saying "we want to monopolize taxi service, then raise prices" doesn't sound great to regulators.

When has monopolizing a sector then jacking up the prices ever worked as a strategy?

It worked for WalMart.

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No, that was never the strategy, no matter how many times people on HN claimed it was. Both Uber and Lyft are aiming for profitability next year with human drivers. (Disclaimer, I work for Lyft but this has been said in public many, many times by both companies.)

What strategies do rideshare companies plan to employ to reach profitability: increasing prices, cutting costs, etc? And what will the implications be for riders and employees alike.

My assumption would be both. Taxi companies have way lower cost structures. They certainly don't employ lots of software engineers. And there's no reason to think that Uber should be significantly cheaper than a taxi ride. Scale buys you something but probably not a lot. (And scale has some costs too.)

Re: Uber sells self-driving unit in deal that will push Aurora’s valuation to $10B

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Big bets and promises for the future was all they had. Trying to be a solid profitable business in a dying industry isn't going to work out well for them.

Wait, how is ride-sharing / cabs a dying industry? People are always going to need to get from point A to point B, and if anything, the younger generations are less likely to own cars. Public infrastructure is never going to fill the gap except in certain urban areas.

Sometimes I wonder if people talking about this "inevitable unprofitability" have used ridesharing recently. At least around SF, prices were steadily going up for the past couple of years.

Re: Uber sells self-driving unit in deal that will push Aurora’s valuation to $10B

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Why would they need Uber? There are hundreds of similar taxi apps

Hundreds? With Uber there's a car maybe 5-10 minutes away at all times, that's certainly not true with most of their competition.

once self driving arrives, the network effect is a lot less prominent, since the supply side can more easily be scaled

Re: Uber sells self-driving unit in deal that will push Aurora’s valuation to $10B

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Big bets and promises for the future was all they had. Trying to be a solid profitable business in a dying industry isn't going to work out well for them.

Wait, how is ride-sharing / cabs a dying industry? People are always going to need to get from point A to point B, and if anything, the younger generations are less likely to own cars. Public infrastructure is never going to fill the gap except in certain urban areas.

>the younger generations are less likely to own cars

There's nothing inherent about this. If the promised alternatives to owning cars turn out to be BS, the younger generations will have to own cars whether they want to or not.

Re: Uber sells self-driving unit in deal that will push Aurora’s valuation to $10B

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No, that was never the strategy, no matter how many times people on HN claimed it was. Both Uber and Lyft are aiming for profitability next year with human drivers. (Disclaimer, I work for Lyft but this has been said in public many, many times by both companies.)

And nothing about this deal indicates Uber is stepping away from self driving cars. They basically structured the deal as buying stock in the company and investing $400M. Letting them focus on their core business while still having a large financial stake in AI cars. The big development is that self driving cars turned out to be an extremely hard problem which didn’t match company timelines (or potentially company bu…

"turned out"... it's been starkly obvious since day one that true self-driving is a problem that requires general intelligence to solve. All you have to do to know that is drive a car and think about what's actually required to successfully drive from A to B in the real world.

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Yeah the more I look the more I find proof that self-driving cars has been seen as an existential threat by Uber/Lyft for years and years with Travis Kalanick (ex-CEO) saying it repeatedly. Here's an interview from him on exactly this topic. https://www.businessinsider.com/travis-kalanick-interview-on...

If there are competitors (e.g., Waymo) that have self-driving that's significantly cheaper, then Uber and Lyft can't compete. So it's a huge potential threat to their businesses. And if self-driving makes rides much cheaper, that can significantly boost the size of the market. But that does not imply that they can't be successful and profitable businesses in a world without self-driving cars, which is the frequently-…

I agree that saying self-driving is a threat is very different from saying that your business will fail unless you create self-driving cars.

Also, saying that Uber/Lyft need to create their own self-driving cars is ignoring the fact that other companies that create self-driving cars are, and will likely continue to offer rides in their cars through existing ride sharing companies.

Re: Uber sells self-driving unit in deal that will push Aurora’s valuation to $10B

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No, that was never the strategy, no matter how many times people on HN claimed it was. Both Uber and Lyft are aiming for profitability next year with human drivers. (Disclaimer, I work for Lyft but this has been said in public many, many times by both companies.)

And nothing about this deal indicates Uber is stepping away from self driving cars. They basically structured the deal as buying stock in the company and investing $400M. Letting them focus on their core business while still having a large financial stake in AI cars. The big development is that self driving cars turned out to be an extremely hard problem which didn’t match company timelines (or potentially company bu…

What am I even reading. "Nothing indicates Uber is stepping away from self driving cars". Yeah right.

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I love it when job interview pitches fall flat like that. Many years ago, I had a job offer from IBM for a class of server I wasn't familiar with. The guy explained it to me like this: "You see, desktops these days are running Linux, and mainframes are running (IBM OS something?). We represent a class of server bigger than desktops but smaller than mainframes. It's an exciting space. The desktop class of PCs are hand…

IBM "Midrange", aka AS/400: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System_i They were an interesting - but dead - sideline of computing evolution. I never used one, but they had a interesting object-based (instead of file based) operating system.

A friend used one of these (the shorter models) as a coffee table -- I distinctly remember how hard it was to move the big, dense metal cube in and out of his room!

Re: Uber sells self-driving unit in deal that will push Aurora’s valuation to $10B

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This self-driving system promise keeps getting delayed! It looks to me this is a case of a donkey led by a carrot on a stick (investors are the donkey here). What I never understand is what happens when a new situation that the system did not previously train for happen? what if this situation is deadly? Will all the Uber cars decide to jump off a cliff because of a wrong signalization or bad weather? What will the Teslas decide? Nature is very capable of creating 1 thing and multiply it, but it does not. The reason is it is more secure to have variation. If a problem happens, it will not affect every member (same what is happening with COVID by the way) Creating a mono-brain will soon prove disastrous. You just need a previously not seen situation or a crazy guy that gets imaginative and that will induce the death of hundreds
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