Radicle: A peer-to-peer alternative to GitHub • Hacker News Board

Re: Radicle: A peer-to-peer alternative to GitHub

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Post by xipho » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 4:10 PM UTC

simias wrote: post #128

htrap wrote: post #106

We are building https://gitopia.org - Permanent Data Storage provided by Arweave - Works from within git with the help of git-remote-helper `npm install -g git-remote-gitopia` so no need to learn new tooling - Built-in incentivization to token holders who also take part in the governance of Gitopia - Token holders share revenue made by the platform - You can mirror your GitHub repositories now using the Github Mirror…

I'm not sure I see the point of building a complex platform with governance and whatnot. What I want is an easy way to publish my projects and for other people to contribute, I need something more like email (independent, self-hosted servers with a well defined protocol to communicate between them) than Facebook. I don't care about the governance of my git remote, or getting money out of it. I care about it being rel…

> I need something more like email (independent, self-hosted servers with a well defined protocol to communicate between them)

The problem with email servers is you need a special type of sys admin to maintain them properly, they are not for the light at heart when used anywhere beyond the most trivial case. Any server that grows to some well-used size has a myriad of problems (getting outright blacklisted, etc).

Re: Radicle: A peer-to-peer alternative to GitHub

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Post by gitweb » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 4:12 PM UTC

Look into how the Linux Kernel and other projects do development. I think a larger issue is why do we need a platform like GitHub when SCM can be done through email?

Re: Radicle: A peer-to-peer alternative to GitHub

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Post by berkes » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 4:14 PM UTC

FpUser wrote: post #133

scoopertrooper wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notes in the readme? How long are you expecting one of the biggest websites in the world to be down?

For some people like forever. Developers can be banned because their country/area happen to fall under US sanctions.

Or because a German law firm (ab)uses a US copyright directive that Github, a US company has to follow?

Re: Radicle: A peer-to-peer alternative to GitHub

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Post by bachmeier » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 4:19 PM UTC

doublerabbit wrote: post #150

simias wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I see the point of building a complex platform with governance and whatnot. What I want is an easy way to publish my projects and for other people to contribute, I need something more like email (independent, self-hosted servers with a well defined protocol to communicate between them) than Facebook. I don't care about the governance of my git remote, or getting money out of it. I care about it being rel…

Would recommend OneDev. https://onedev.io

They need to remove some clutter from that landing page.

Re: Radicle: A peer-to-peer alternative to GitHub

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Post by cowsandmilk » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 4:21 PM UTC

saberd wrote: post #83

merelydev wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is Free as in Freedom.

So free as in open source, why is this called free and not open then?

Free is a term used by the community for decades, literally in the name of the Free Software Foundation. I guess you could argue that their need to explain what free means indicates it was a bad choice to use, but it is pretty standard now.

https://www.fsf.org/about/what-is-free-software

Re: Radicle: A peer-to-peer alternative to GitHub

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Post by hanklazard » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 4:24 PM UTC

Would you consider linking a white paper off the homepage? (If there is one, I'm not finding it). I like the sound of this project but I really would like to understand it more fully.

Re: Radicle: A peer-to-peer alternative to GitHub

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Post by lftherios » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 4:25 PM UTC

hanklazard wrote: post #156

Would you consider linking a white paper off the homepage? (If there is one, I'm not finding it). I like the sound of this project but I really would like to understand it more fully.

docs here https://docs.radicle.xyz/docs/what-is-radicle.html

Re: Radicle: A peer-to-peer alternative to GitHub

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Post by StavrosK » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 4:26 PM UTC

xipho wrote: post #151

simias wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I see the point of building a complex platform with governance and whatnot. What I want is an easy way to publish my projects and for other people to contribute, I need something more like email (independent, self-hosted servers with a well defined protocol to communicate between them) than Facebook. I don't care about the governance of my git remote, or getting money out of it. I care about it being rel…

> I need something more like email (independent, self-hosted servers with a well defined protocol to communicate between them) The problem with email servers is you need a special type of sys admin to maintain them properly, they are not for the light at heart when used anywhere beyond the most trivial case. Any server that grows to some well-used size has a myriad of problems (getting outright blacklisted, etc).

The analogy broke down before that, you don't have reputation problems hosting a Gitea instance.

Re: Radicle: A peer-to-peer alternative to GitHub

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Post by StavrosK » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 4:27 PM UTC

simias wrote: post #128

htrap wrote: post #106

We are building https://gitopia.org - Permanent Data Storage provided by Arweave - Works from within git with the help of git-remote-helper `npm install -g git-remote-gitopia` so no need to learn new tooling - Built-in incentivization to token holders who also take part in the governance of Gitopia - Token holders share revenue made by the platform - You can mirror your GitHub repositories now using the Github Mirror…

I'm not sure I see the point of building a complex platform with governance and whatnot. What I want is an easy way to publish my projects and for other people to contribute, I need something more like email (independent, self-hosted servers with a well defined protocol to communicate between them) than Facebook. I don't care about the governance of my git remote, or getting money out of it. I care about it being rel…

How about hosting your own Gitea instance? It works quite well.

Re: Radicle: A peer-to-peer alternative to GitHub

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Post by simias » Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 4:30 PM UTC

xla wrote: post #127

simias wrote: post #121

I've installed the "upstream" client but I must say that I'm a bit confused. I imported a couple of git repositories that ended up on http://seedling.radicle.xyz/ , so I thought I did it right, but then if I try to add projects from that very page it keeps searching and never finds anything (they're stuck in "keep looking" mode). Also I don't see how you can create issues. Is it not implemented yet? It's an interesti…

This is really helpful feedback. Especially the part about not getting enough feedback during operations. And yes social features like issues and PRs have not been the focus in this release, as we focused on replication. If you are looking for more help you can join the community matrix and we take it from there: https://docs.radicle.xyz/docs/using-radicle/join-the-communi...

Thanks for the feedback on my feedback. My recommendation would be to make a very simple tutorial (maybe even a video) walking the user through checkouting a remote project, publishing their own and start hacking while explaining the core concepts. The docs are pretty good from what I see, but when you're just starting and you don't know what you're looking for it's a bit overwhelming I thought.