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Re: An upcoming story about Coinbase

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Post by gpm »

jolux wrote: post #146
gpm wrote: post #142

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Say you're, I don't know, the person who gives driving license tests. You fail a person, person claims you are racist against . How do you make sure no one has examples like that? Just always pass literally everyone no matter how bad a driver they are in case they're going to later claim discrimination? You can avoid explicit examples with evidence attached ("he called me a n-word and fired me, see ") but I don't see…

That kind of thing would not hold up in court without a strong pattern proved or additional explicitly discriminatory behavior. Discrimination is surprisingly hard to prove, in fact.

We're not talking about court (or at least I'm not), we're talking about a newspaper article and reputation.

(I edited a second half into my original comment that might make this clearer, though I did that before I saw your reply)

Re: An upcoming story about Coinbase

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Post by Aunche »

ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #22

> Let’s keep focused on building an amazing company together; we are hitting amazing new records on users, volume and revenue, and we have so much great work to do together. Ignore any potential negativity, everything we do is great, all that matters is revenue, nothing bad ever happens hear, blah blah blah. Don't focus on the bad part, those are all lies! The NYTimes article isn't released so I can't comment on the…

Huh. Looks like they agreed with you that it sounded sketchy and dropped that line.

Re: An upcoming story about Coinbase

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Post by manigandham »

jolux wrote: post #148
manigandham wrote: post #143

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How is it not?

It's taking a side and saying that if you don't like the side they take then you can leave. The side they're taking is "we're above politics."

And "above politics" is the same as "not involved in politics". Call it a side/position/stance/perspective/angle or whatever else. It's still means they're not involved.

Re: An upcoming story about Coinbase

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Post by drewbug01 »

bra-ket wrote: post #117
drewbug01 wrote: post #78

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> race-baiting propaganda I think it’s reasonable to debate the quality of the NYT (and I have serious issues with a lot of what they publish - and dear lord, don’t get me started on how I feel about their opinion columnists). But I do think that calling the NYT “race-baiting propaganda” is a gross mischaracterization of what they do.

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Re: An upcoming story about Coinbase

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Post by muglug »

nullc wrote: post #128
muglug wrote: post #87

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> NYT's recent decline from paper of record to race-baiting propaganda Good newspapers must always speak truth to power. In a country where white people hold virtually all of it, sometimes that means speaking truth to white power. You’re sort of telling on yourself if you find that offensive.

The thing about speaking truth to power is that there are two components to the statement. It isn't met only by attacking a group perceived to be affiliated with "power"-- it also has to involve the truth.

What untrue statements on the topic of race has NYTimes’ news section published recently?

Re: An upcoming story about Coinbase

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Post by nullc »

jolux wrote: post #139
nullc wrote: post #128

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The thing about speaking truth to power is that there are two components to the statement. It isn't met only by attacking a group perceived to be affiliated with "power"-- it also has to involve the truth.

Who's claiming it doesn't have to involve the truth?

jimmygrapes two comments up stated that he believed coinbase expected the NYT would not be "being factual" and that he expected the article "written as an exaggerated hit piece full of emotional appeal rather than, well, news".

To which muglug replied extolling the irrefutable virtue of speaking truth to power-- which is an insultingly irrelevant response to someone accusing them of being non-factual.

Re: An upcoming story about Coinbase

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Post by philtar »

drewbug01 wrote: post #104
philtar wrote: post #51

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> Reading between the lines, I imagine that the complaints workers claim to have filed were ignored by management at some level of the process, or not filed on the right paperwork or something. Reading the lines (instead of between them) tells you that two of the complains were investigated by a third-party which found no evidence of wrong-doing.

What you’ve said and what I’ve said are not in conflict. Coinbase clearly states that they believe there to be three complaints and that they’re generally in the clear. My point about reading between the lines is that the explicit, specific repetition of the claim and the way they’re saying it implies that the NYT is going to allege there were more complaints. So then: what of the missing complaints? What Coinbase is…

I'm talking about what we have in front of us. You're defending the NYT's article without even having seen it. I can't argue against magical articles that haven't been published yet.

Also, if you think the NYT doesn't 'lie', then how about you read up on their reporting of the Duke lacrosse team case, or their hundreds of others examples of complete disregard to journalistic integrity.

Coinbase isn't perfect. But NYT lies. A lot.

But EVEN if the NYT doesn't lie, you haven't read the article yet.

Re: An upcoming story about Coinbase

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Post by doublekill »

muglug wrote: post #122
doublekill wrote: post #79

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What I learned from diversity training is that you need to accept the fact that society is systematically racist, and as a white person you benefit from this. So all whites are profiting from racism already. They have to come to terms with this, acknowledge the role that their ancestors played in furthering or creating racial inequality, and do everything in their privileged power to right this wrong: hire more black…

> society is systematically racist, and as a white person you benefit from this. So all whites are profiting from racism already American society, certainly. Some white Europeans are a bit miffed at being lumped in with America’s problems. Europe has race/diversity problems of its own, but not on the same scale as the US’s.

My first European colleague was a male-to-female person. She had worked at a major company for years, got a bad performance report, and attributed it to her transition. It went to court and the company settled, instead of defending not promoting her (with or without regard of her transition). Very good programmer. She worked there for 1 year more, doing only things that the company laywers agreed to.

In America I see similar things. I think it is seductive to be swept up with identity politics, and suddenly that promotion that went to a white person, feels different, feels racist. Or you employ a neurodiverse low-social skill person who makes an edgy unfunny joke, because he is nervous. That's "racist humor on the work floor" when going to a lawyer or journalist. It is a dangerous world out there. Current climate not helping.

Re: An upcoming story about Coinbase

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Post by [deleted] »

peteretep wrote: post #141
csense wrote: post #66

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That's the beauty of it. Denying the charge or defending yourself simply digs you deeper into the hole. What you're supposed to do is admit you're a racist, fall down on your knees, abjectly beg forgiveness of your accusers, and list all the new things you'll be doing to stop being racist. Then your accusers have the power to forgive you. But you really, truly have to go all the way in submitting to their demands. An…

> Defending myself against ridiculous allegations What in the heck are you doing that's inviting frequent accusations of racism?

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