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Re: Mmhmm

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Post by dusted »

purplecats wrote: post #115
satysin wrote: post #41

Installed to tryout it out. I dislike it requires yet another user account just to try it out[1][2]. Overall it is pretty simple to use with a decent UI and worked fine for my quick test of a Signal desktop app video call by selecting the mmhmm virtual camera in Signal. It did not work in FaceTime as there is no way to change the camera from the built in one (however I was able to change the audio source to mmhmm aud…

Ah it's not even free? That's misleading. Theres the option to download etc on their page but no results for "pricing". I hate that they try to make you invest in them first then you get shown the fee. I cant say I'm the biggest fan of false advertising or dark patterns against me.

Yea, and this is basically just obs with a webcam output and some built in assets, I'll just go ahead right now and donate their price to the OBS project.

Re: Mmhmm

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Post by joshspankit »

bnegreve wrote: post #141
ponker wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t need an “argument” to charge a specific price or business model. I’ve created something and am offering it to anyone who will pay what I’m asking. Why, as a customer, would you care about my “argument” for my price as opposed to the value it creates for you? This product is expensive and I expect most people to walk away but I also see why they don’t want to go down the old Windows 3.1 route of a perpetual li…

>I don’t need an “argument” to charge a specific price or business model. I disagree, you need to sell your business model just as much as you need to sell your product. As a customer, 1. I need to know whether this is a fair pricing for the service, because I need to decide whether I should pay for it, or search (or wait) for an alternative. If it is overpriced, a cheaper alternative is likely to appear soon, and it…

^This

Also, I will add that as a (potential or actual) customer: if I think your product is great, I want your business to succeed and for it to succeed it has to have a business model that is positioned for the long-term.

Flat out: If the model doesn’t work, I’m going to look for another alternative.

If the model does not work it could mean you go out of business, or “pivot” to private buyers, or lose focus and clutter the software with “upgrades” in an attempt to catch up. In each case it means the software would no longer work for me and I’d have to find an alternative anyway so I might as well find the alternative first.

Re: Mmhmm

#153

Post by jspash »

Stratoscope wrote: post #100
frereubu wrote: post #46

If the people who develop this app are here, it took me quite a while to figure out that it uses a "virtual camera" to work, and therefore potentially works with most videoconferencing software. That should be front and centre - for a while I wasn't sure whether it was a separate videoconferencing app because the screenshots are just the app, rather than it being used in Zoom or whatever. The only reference is "Funne…

Wait, "Funner Zooming" is a reference to Zoom meetings ? I saw the phrase next to the bouncing down arrow and I thought it meant that when I scrolled down, things would zoom around on the screen. Or something. Perhaps my mind had been primed for that by this discussion from the other day: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25191802 It honestly did not occur to me that the phrase had something to do with Zoom meetin…

I missed that discussion yet had the same trouble grokking the phrase. Even after watching the video and sort of understanding what they do it didn't click until I read your comment.

But then again, I rarely use Zoom since my company is beholden to Gsuite.

Re: Mmhmm

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Post by dakial1 »

fxtentacle wrote: post #52
satysin wrote: post #41

Installed to tryout it out. I dislike it requires yet another user account just to try it out[1][2]. Overall it is pretty simple to use with a decent UI and worked fine for my quick test of a Signal desktop app video call by selecting the mmhmm virtual camera in Signal. It did not work in FaceTime as there is no way to change the camera from the built in one (however I was able to change the audio source to mmhmm aud…

As someone who has previously worked on real time audio apps on Mac, I find the price justified. Supporting MacOS with anything that needs kernel drivers requires constant updates and the potential market is so small that it kind of needs to be expensive per customer or else you need to cut corners with the quality. Windows has 5x the market share, so there you can sell for 80% less per user because you'll sell more…

I completely understand your point of view of charging for the resources needed to get the work done, but the market does not really care for this and you need to charge what the clients are willing to pay for your product.

If clients are willing to pay less than the value of the resources necessary to build and maintain the product, you have either a communication problem (you're not showing the right value to your clients), or a market fit problem.

Re: Mmhmm

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Post by user-the-name »

nikanj wrote: post #148
klik99 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anything that needs to create input/output devices for routing into other apps “in the box” requires kernel extensions. I’ve heard some hack together more real time guarantees for performance purposes (mac os has a habit of regressing on audio stream stability) but most people who need that guarantee will build on an open source os anyway. CoreAudio is great, but since everyone just uses cross platform libraries will…

Big Sur doesn't even support kernel extensions, so this sounds unlikely.

You might be confusing this with the fact that Big Sur, on Apple Silicon, does not support x86 kernel extensions. It still supports them elsewhere, and it supports arm64 kernel extensions on Apple Silicon.

Re: Mmhmm

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Post by fevangelou »

From the site's footer...

"Mmhmm is the newest product by All Turtles, a mission-driven product studio that works to solve meaningful problems worldwide."

Didn't know backgrounds for Zoom are meaningful problems that need to be solved.

Re: Mmhmm

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Post by baebeegeezus »

Brajeshwar wrote: post #133

MmHmm is by Phil Libin, the erstwhile founder/CEO of Evernote[1]. I stumbled on it when looking up old connections for something I'm doing now. Here is a video of Phil introducing MmHmm[2]. In my very limited and a few interaction with him, I found him to be a kind person, and was super responsive to a small guy when he was very busy, and around its peak with Evernote (2010-2011). While waiting for MmHmm's invite, I…

I don’t think the two are comparable. Around is a video conference app. Mmhmm is a virtual camera with some nifty effects for presentations.

Re: Mmhmm

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Post by Liron »

cambalache wrote: post #79

Something tangentially relevant to this, it is curious how this epidemic is forcing rapid change that was resisted for many years, and some of that change I suppose will stay. Companies resisted remote-working, educational institutions were very lukewarm towards remote classes/degrees, now all of that is the new normal. It is not a perfect comparison but this reminds me of the sweet changes during and just after WW2.…

Interestingly, “needing a kick in the butt to shake things up” is a kind of antifragile-ness property of our society, but not the good kind of antifragile where the system adapts in a certain direction based on what kind of kicks its environment supplies, just a dumb kind where any kick is sufficient to speed up the inevitable.

Re: Mmhmm

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Post by veidr »

AlexB138 wrote: post #74

I played with Mmhmm during beta. It's a simpler to use OBS, from what I can tell. It's good for some laughs. They just came out of beta and announced that it would cost $9.99/month. I was pretty shocked to see a recurring fee for such a simple app, which, from what I could tell, offers nothing new over a long establish FOSS project. It strikes me as more of a one time $10 purchase. Would really like to hear how they…

I think am the target audience for this.

I do a lot of online meetings, and make regular internal presentations about our engineering work to the rest of the company. I have used OBS, and it does work, but it is complex enough and fiddly enough that operating it distracts me from my presentation.

This mmhmm app lets me do the key things OBS does – shrink myself to a corner of the window, with my presentation taking up the whole screen, jump to a live demo while keeping me in the corner — more simply, so that it is not a distraction to what I am presenting or demoing.

I use it every week. I work remotely, so these meetings are how I present myself at work. In that context, $10 a month is nothing; it doesn't even merit a second's hesitation.

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