YouTube-dl's repository has been restored • Hacker News Board

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by greggturkington » Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 3:55 PM UTC

saynay wrote: post #28

crumbshot wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And not even purged from the repo, it's still in the history if needed. Seems like the copyright holders making a big fuss over nothing really.

I have become convinced that the RIAA lawyers emerge from their crypts every few years, generating a slew of copystrikes to justify their retainer fee.

This software makes it easy for people to download copyrighted movies and the RIAA attorneys (at least some) are acting in good faith to prevent people from breaking copyright law and causing their client damages. Can someone argue against me please?

(genuinely contribute to discussion by arguing against my own biases, call me a moron instead of downvoting)

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by ardy42 » Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 3:56 PM UTC

bigbubba wrote: post #27

crumbshot wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And not even purged from the repo, it's still in the history if needed. Seems like the copyright holders making a big fuss over nothing really.

I wonder if RIAA lawyers believe themselves productive members of society, or if they recognize themselves as the parasites they are.

> I wonder if RIAA lawyers believe themselves productive members of society, or if they recognize themselves as the parasites they are.

At least one way they could rationalize their actions is by taking an outlandish but not uncommon view of property rights: that no one would bother to create anything without being able to profit from ownership of it, and the more they can profit the more they'll create.

There's also the even more outlandish view that whatever the market does is good for society by definition, so if the market pays you to do something you can assume it's beneficial to society.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by pil4rin » Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 3:59 PM UTC

greggturkington wrote: post #151

saynay wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have become convinced that the RIAA lawyers emerge from their crypts every few years, generating a slew of copystrikes to justify their retainer fee.

This software makes it easy for people to download copyrighted movies and the RIAA attorneys (at least some) are acting in good faith to prevent people from breaking copyright law and causing their client damages. Can someone argue against me please? (genuinely contribute to discussion by arguing against my own biases, call me a moron instead of downvoting)

By this right, Zoom/ Google Meet / Teams have screen recording that would allow for this as well. How deep should we go down this hypothetical rabbithole?

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by scaramanga » Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 3:59 PM UTC

jedimastert wrote: post #120

CivBase wrote: post #37

GitHub is still hosting the full youtube-dl version history, including versions which include those supposedly infringing tests. Does copyright law end with HEAD on master? Those tests are still there. This makes it especially obvious that the RIAA's problem with youtube-dl was never really the tests.

> This makes it especially obvious that the RIAA's problem with youtube-dl was never really the tests. Or that the RIAA lawyers are technically oblivious

Or that they simply don't care about the specific infringement, rather they are just trying to chill the free-speech rights of software developers and fight a culture war on all fronts to expand the rights, privileges, power, and wealth of their clients.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by detaro » Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 3:59 PM UTC

JosephRedfern wrote: post #147

jefftk wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hosted on gitlab.com: $ curl -sS -D- -o/dev/null \ https://youtube-dl.org/downloads\ /latest/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz HTTP/1.1 302 Found Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 15:04:10 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.15 (CentOS) Location: https://youtube-dl.org/downloads\ /2020.11.12/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz Content-Length: 3 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 $ curl -sS -D- -o/dev/null \ https://youtu…

Weird. It's hosted by github.com when I run identical commands: (base) /tmp curl -sS -D- -o/dev/null https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz HTTP/1.1 302 Found Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 15:52:13 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.15 (CentOS) Location: https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/2020.11.12/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz Content-Length: 3 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 (…

Either they just switched back, or they have it pick from multiple mirrors.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by Thiez » Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 3:59 PM UTC

gpvos wrote: post #131

echelon wrote: post #118

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It would have been fantastic if every test using RIAA copyrighted music had been replaced with public domain sources. Or, better yet, videos the maintainers created and uploaded themselves.

That won't work, because Youtube applies the particular sort of protection that those tests exercise only to copyrighted music.

Just about all music you can find online is copyrighted. I think you mean that it applies the protection only to music where the copyright is held by a large organization.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by Thev00d00 » Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 4:00 PM UTC

I didnt think I could have much more goodwill toward the EFF, yet here we are.

Donations link: https://supporters.eff.org/donate/30for30--D

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by JosephRedfern » Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 4:02 PM UTC

detaro wrote: post #155

JosephRedfern wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird. It's hosted by github.com when I run identical commands: (base) /tmp curl -sS -D- -o/dev/null https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz HTTP/1.1 302 Found Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 15:52:13 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.15 (CentOS) Location: https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/2020.11.12/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz Content-Length: 3 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 (…

Either they just switched back, or they have it pick from multiple mirrors.

Yeah, makes sense!

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by toomuchtodo » Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 4:02 PM UTC

Say what you will about Github and Microsoft, this was a classy move. A million dollars is a million dollars. "Putting your money where your mouth is".

"Nonetheless, developers who want to push back against unwarranted takedowns may face the risk of taking on personal liability and legal defense costs. To help them, GitHub will establish and donate $1M to a developer defense fund to help protect open source developers on GitHub from unwarranted DMCA Section 1201 takedown claims. We will immediately begin working with other members of the community to set up this fund and take other measures to collectively protect developers and safeguard developer collaboration."

Thanks Microsoft/Github.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by quantumwoke » Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 4:03 PM UTC

Truly surprising and welcome response from GitHub. I did not expect them to go this far for developers at all. As a FOSS developer myself, I wish more companies would treat DMCA requests like this.