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EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf]

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Re: EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf]

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Post by ben_w »

dheera wrote: post #51
camgunz wrote: post #4

We need to establish the use of encryption as a basic human right. I'm so tired of this cropping up every couple years.

I wonder if we can make an encryption protocol that cryptographically securely encrypts an arbitrary English sentence into an English passage that sounds like it makes sense but is unrelated to the ciphertext.

Yes.

1. Encrypt as normal.

2. Given a language model which can generate a choice of multiple possible next-symbols given what has already been written, use bytes from the cypher text to choose between the available options.

For example, using the predictive text options on my iPhone, and treating 0=left 1=right, the cypher text 011100 and the starting symbol “Hi”, I get:

“Hi I have heard from the other”

(Note: I’m fairly sure the iPhone predictive text system is personalised and therefore time-variable, but the general idea still applies if you are in full control of the system).

3. If the other party knows the model and the initial word, they can use an equivalent process to recover the cypher text and put that into the normal decryption routine.

Re: EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf]

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Post by dalu »

toxik wrote: post #131

My serious question is this: how do we stop terrorism and criminals when they have access to military grade encryption technology? It seems like there is a lot of ideological push for freedom, but as criminal activity moves to the virtual world, have we not created a problem for ourselves?

If you let fear be your guide you would never even leave the house. Don't do bad things and there won't be terrorists. Attack other countries, incite wars and you'll have them.

It's simple. Don't be a douche and no one will slap your face.

Re: EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf]

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Post by yamrzou »

dheera wrote: post #51
camgunz wrote: post #4

We need to establish the use of encryption as a basic human right. I'm so tired of this cropping up every couple years.

I wonder if we can make an encryption protocol that cryptographically securely encrypts an arbitrary English sentence into an English passage that sounds like it makes sense but is unrelated to the ciphertext.

I was wondering the same thing.

Found this related question on Crypto Stackexchange: https://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/32767/how-to-disg...

Re: EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf]

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Post by dylan604 »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #109
tom_mellior wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU ministers do want us to have a right to encryption. They just want to be able to decrypt it.

Like TSA luggage keys.... there's no way those would leak online, and no way anybody would be able to download them from https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1687424 and 3d-print them... no way something like that'd happen!

Luckily, you can't 3D print an encryption key that would be useful in any way. Although, now I wish the guy from Lavabits had handed in his SSL cert as 3D printed letters and numbers like a puzzle.

Re: EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf]

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Post by EliRivers »

Udik wrote: post #149
EliRivers wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I note that here I am in the UK, and the current home secretary appears to be Priti Patel. Who is far more hardline on this than the EU, and not in the good direction. If we left at the last minute, it's so that we can go faster. One of the things we are deliberately jettisoning is the protections afforded us by being in the EU.

> the current home secretary appears to be Priti Patel. Ah, Priti Patel, the minister that was forced to resign by the May government for having had several secret meetings with Israeli officials during her tenure. Enjoy the UK!

Oh go on, it's worse than that.

She wanted to fund Israeli Army hospitals in the Golan Heights out of the UK foreign aid budget. Off her own back, without telling anyone.

Re: EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf]

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

toxik wrote: post #131

My serious question is this: how do we stop terrorism and criminals when they have access to military grade encryption technology? It seems like there is a lot of ideological push for freedom, but as criminal activity moves to the virtual world, have we not created a problem for ourselves?

How do we stop terrorism and criminals if we can't use encryption technology for ourselves?

There's only hundreds of bad guys (maybe), but there's millions of us. Where do you think the balance should be here? Who should be stronger?

Re: EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf]

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Post by toxik »

dalu wrote: post #152
toxik wrote: post #131

My serious question is this: how do we stop terrorism and criminals when they have access to military grade encryption technology? It seems like there is a lot of ideological push for freedom, but as criminal activity moves to the virtual world, have we not created a problem for ourselves?

If you let fear be your guide you would never even leave the house. Don't do bad things and there won't be terrorists. Attack other countries, incite wars and you'll have them. It's simple. Don't be a douche and no one will slap your face.

That seems like such a gross oversimplification I don’t even know where to start. There will always be those in society who want to do harm for one reason or another, utopia does not exist. These people are what we call criminals.
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