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No, and it won’t until December. However it is now clear that it _will_ happen. Traditionally, once it becomes inevitable, candidates concede.
Whether or not it will happen remains to be seen. Certainly I won't deny that among the people who have faith in the media (Biden supporters) they are convinced it will happen.
Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump
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#152Feels more like closure rather than a true victory. It's going to be fun living in an utterly balkanized country the next four years.
And AOC openly calls for hunting down Trump supporters: "Is anyone archiving these Trump sycophants for when they try to downplay or deny their complicity in the future? ". So much for political freedom.
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't understand your meaning. Texas and Georgia are almost blue at least partly because minority voters overwhelmingly vote blue, and the proportion of minorities has been increasing over time. Changing that vote share to 60-40 instead of 80-20 would do quite a lot to solidify republicans in those states. And with Trump showing that it's possible to increase the Republican vote share among minorities... I'd expect…
Across the board, the GOP would need to convert minorities to consistent GOP voters faster than the electorate conversion (where the electorate tilts progressive) occurs naturally due to older voters dying and newer voters turning 18 or naturalizing, and this conversion needs to happen even faster in states that are turning blue (to overcome sociopolitical demographic momentum). I will add that just because Trump was…
Losing a solid voter base might mean that the Republicans need to change their platform to appeal to more voters, but it doesn't mean that they're forever doomed and will never win another election. Maybe that means compromising on abortion. Maybe it means immigration reform - but from the Republican perspective, and not giving amnesty to illegal immigrants. (And funnily enough, IIRC amnesty isn't particularly popular among LEGAL immigrants) Maybe it means pulling their heads out of their asses re: climate change, and running on a revenue-neutral carbon tax.
All of this means changes, but not an end to the party.
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#154This is getting flagged every 2 minutes. What is going on?
Probably upset Trump supporters (if the election went the other way, it'd likely get flagged by Biden supporters) - HN is a diverse group. The HN guidelines do say politics should be considered off-topic: "Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon." There's a ton of duplicate (even if separate URLs) submissions.
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
Across the board, the GOP would need to convert minorities to consistent GOP voters faster than the electorate conversion (where the electorate tilts progressive) occurs naturally due to older voters dying and newer voters turning 18 or naturalizing, and this conversion needs to happen even faster in states that are turning blue (to overcome sociopolitical demographic momentum). I will add that just because Trump was…
In general, a two-party system will evolve such that both parties control ~50% of the relevant votes averaged over multiple elections. Individuals might stick to their principles and refuse to compromise, but parties are not so limited. Losing a solid voter base might mean that the Republicans need to change their platform to appeal to more voters, but it doesn't mean that they're forever doomed and will never win an…
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There was no blue wave, if anything Biden has barely squeaked past the post. Trump under-performed his 2016 margins in 38 states, including many deep red ones.
Yes, Trump underperformed relative to 2016 - and yet the Republicans made gains in the House, and maintained control of the Senate. The fact that the presidential race is close enough to still be under contention days after election night should be evidence enough that there wasn't a significant blue wave!
Senate control is still an open issue. There will be a runoff in GA in January to determine control.
The only reason this was under contention days after the election is that PA wasn't able to start counting their mail in ballots until election day. This was a choice made by the PA legislature. I don't know why. If PA was allowed to precanvas, PA would have announced like FL on election night and this would have been over Tuesday.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Signatures are still required in Pennsylvania, and many states have allowed ballots to arrive after the election for decades, including 3 of the states still uncalled (NV, NC, and Georgia). Moreover, military votes have been allowed to arrive after election day in nearly all states since at least WWII.
It’s one thing to allow a limited number of ballots to arrive for military or absentees. But states that conduct elections primarily by mail (Oregon, Colorado) require ballots to arrive by Election Day.
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
A news agency doesn't have to cater to everyone.
This is unfortunately true, but important to point out that it is only a recent truth. Historically news agencies were neutral, striving to report unbiased news. Politicizing current events is relatively new and I do not think has been a positive innovation anywhere in the world.
Any choice in publishing one news is simultaneously an active a choice in not publishing another. Furthermore, there is not one singular truth to report in the vast majority of news, in particular of political nature.
The solution is not to find another news outlet that feels more like truth. Instead, find a few different news outlets and understand their biases.
Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
Across the board, the GOP would need to convert minorities to consistent GOP voters faster than the electorate conversion (where the electorate tilts progressive) occurs naturally due to older voters dying and newer voters turning 18 or naturalizing, and this conversion needs to happen even faster in states that are turning blue (to overcome sociopolitical demographic momentum). I will add that just because Trump was…
In general, a two-party system will evolve such that both parties control ~50% of the relevant votes averaged over multiple elections. Individuals might stick to their principles and refuse to compromise, but parties are not so limited. Losing a solid voter base might mean that the Republicans need to change their platform to appeal to more voters, but it doesn't mean that they're forever doomed and will never win an…
As you said, neither party is going away, but they will both have to change to accommodate an evolving electorate. As someone said upthread, both parties need to stop taking their voters for granted and go out and listen to them.
[1] https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/06/28/shifting-pub...
[2] https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2019/08/29/u-s-public-c...
[3] https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2019/03/21/retirement-social...
[4] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/09/29/increasing-...
[5] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/10/03/most-contin...
Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
Eh, 20k vote margins in states that used to be taken for granted is pretty bad. Not to mention the down ballot disaster this has been for Dems.
Biden is going to win the popular vote by around 4-5% (~7 million votes) but the tipping point state (probably WI) by only 0.6%. If he had done 0.7% worse across the board he would have won the popular vote by 6 million votes and still lost the election. The electoral college is a monstrous indignity.