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Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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But nothing for macOS 10.14.x, oddly.

Catalina runs on all Macs that support Mojave, which I assume influenced the decision. (I didn't see an iOS 13 update, which helps bolster this theory.)

My guess is that iOS 13 didn't drop support for any devices, and Apple is only releasing a patch for devices that can't upgrade to the newest OS.

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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I'd like to give kudos to Apple for including the iPhone 5S in this security update, which was released on September 20, 2013, over 7 years ago! Supporting a product for even 3 years is rare in the smartphone world.

Wouldn't last official sale date be a better indicator of true device support? For example if someone bought it in an Apple store on the last day available, how long period would they have received updates for? For example in mid 2017 it was still officially sold by Apple in India (source: https://www.iphonehacks.com/2017/05/apple-iphone-5s-iphone-s... ).

A range would be fair. For example "safe to use for 3-7 years" in the case of this phone by the sound of it.

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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Catalina runs on all Macs that support Mojave, which I assume influenced the decision. (I didn't see an iOS 13 update, which helps bolster this theory.)

My guess is that iOS 13 didn't drop support for any devices, and Apple is only releasing a patch for devices that can't upgrade to the newest OS.

This is also my guess ;)

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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A tricky thing about flagging "in the wild exploited vulnerabilities" in a title like this is that it suggests that sev:crit vulnerabilities in other updates that aren't flagged like this aren't being exploited in the wild. We get confirmation of only a subset of exploited vulnerabilities. We'd be better off with a more neutral title, like "fixing severe vulnerabilities" or something like that.

Disagree, if we have proof that it is currently being exploited then that’s the news more than anything else.

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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The problem with these updates is that it's only for devices that can only support up to iOS 12 (in this case) - if you have another device that supports anything higher but don't want upgrade to the latest iOS, you still won't get these iOS 12 security updates - they force you to upgrade the entire OS to get them.

You're literally saying you have the ability to update, but don't want to, and so it's unfair you can't update.

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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Anybody get a bitter sweet feeling when ever these reported and fixed security exploits announcements happen? It's good that users aren't going to risk getting hacked by such vulnerabilities, but its bad that users can no longer uses these exploits to gain administrative control over their property.

The users of these devices know they are serfs in the Apple ecosystem. People who want devices they can control buy other devices.

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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How do you still have one that's running OK? My Apple products almost always "die" after a few years. I had the 5S but one day it crashed and would not turn back on no matter what I did. The iPhone I had before that did the same thing.

I believe you but I've honestly never heard of anybody suffering "random cellphone death" - Apple or otherwise. Everybody seems to break them or upgrade them long before that.

I had it with Nexus 5x. It died after 1.5 years when I used an app to get a train ticket. It turned out it was a known hardware bug judging by forums. It was in Norway so the phone was still under warranty and it was “repaired” - the motherboard was replaced. Still not much later I bought the original iPhone SE. I just did not like the idea of phone stopping working for no reason.

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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The 5S is still the perfect iPhone.

Well, let's not get crazy. It's fine (I'm using it currently because my Samsung S9 died) but it's definitely no perfect phone. It doesn't even have water resistance and the screen to body ratio is pretty bad, IMO. Only upside is the thing is built in such a way that it has barely taken any damage from the years of abuse I put it through. I'm likely getting an iPhone 12 Pro Max very soon and will continue to only use…

> the screen to body ratio is pretty bad, IMO

if rated against _my_ body, the ratio is damn near perfect

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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I turned off this feature when they shipped the option and promptly turned it back on. I use Apple because they make reasonable decisions instead of requiring endless configuration, and they made the right decision here. The lawsuit feels like pure power politics... Apple can handle the cost, I don’t feel bad for them or anything, but I see it as a pure money grab rather than any culpability for Apple.

>I turned off this feature when they shipped the option and promptly turned it back on. They didn't add that option until AFTER being caught

I disagree with the framing suggested by the word “caught.” After they were sued, they shipped this option, I tried it, it sucks.

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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post #108

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It's true that laptop computers have not changed as much over the years. This in large part because Intel CPU's and architecture have not changed as much, while iPhone CPU's have improved by leaps and bounds. I wonder how much this might change when Apple Silicon comes to the Mac.

It feels like smartphones are stabilizing as well. I don't see myself needing to replace my iPhone 8 for a while, even though there have been three more generations afterwards. An iPhone 5 felt much more outdated at the time of the 6s/SE.

Having owned a 5S, 6 plus, and now XR, the all screen design is a much bigger upgrade than iPhone 5 vs. 6S in my opinion.
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