I put youtube-dl on IPFS just for fun if anyone is interested https://agilob.gitlab.io/random-thoughts/random/yt-dl-on-ipf...
RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO
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Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, the argument does not depend on that premise, unless you are suggesting that the other websites never ever ever change their HTML. i.e. replace YT with $YOUR_FAVORITE_VIDEO_HOSTING_WEBSITE in the message above.
Your argument that "You will not be able to use it for anything" because "youtube HTML will have changed a million times" is most definitely based upon that erroneous premise. Or a misunderstanding of the word "anything". (-:
Not GP, but I understand what they are getting at. They were shortening to be concise. What was actually meant was...
"You will not be able to use it for anything because YouTube and every other video sharing website supported by youtube-dl will have changed a million times.
Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO
#153> By now it is clear that the RIAA’s takedown notice backfired badly. With the ‘Streisand Effect’ in full swing, there are now probably more copies of YouTube-DL online than there ever were. Did it though? Sure, the Streisand effect caused more distribution of youtube-dl, but that's never really been an issue. Open source software as widely used as youtube-dl is mirrored in a hundred different places. The issue here…
It’s about awareness, not distribution. How many people learned youtube-dl exists due to news about its takedown?
Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you want the DMCA changed, you're going to need to find enough money to, as part of a competitive auction against the MPAA, RIAA, and BSA, successfully bribe: 218 Congresspeople 60 Senators 1 President 5 Supreme Court (in)justices. A conservative estimate is that getting the DMCA reformed would cost at least a billion dollars in bribes ('campaign contributions'). No one who has that much money spare has enough of…
Europe also has copyright anti-circumvention laws...
Stronger anti-circumvention laws than the US too.
As they're written into international treaties every functional Western democracy has them.
Pretty much the only exemption is Israel.
Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is actually _less_ legal protection for speech in Germany than the US. For instance, it's against the law to insult a government official like a cop (Beamtenbeleidigung). This could mean saying something like "damn cops" in earshot of the police - it doesn't take much. You could argue that courts aren't as accessible in the US as they should be without deep pockets (rightfully so), but fundamentally free speech…
> Beamtenbeleidigung In Austria and Germany insulting a government official is handled by the same law as insulting a normal citizen is (except for that also the superior can file charges for subordinates). [German] https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamtenbeleidigung
According to the one law in this link (German law §90 StGB), offending the president of Germany carries a penalty of anywhere from 3 months to 5 years prison. This can even apply in private matters.
Speaking of Austria, blasphemy laws still apply there and were upheld by an EU court when challenged two years ago [1].
[1] https://humanism.org.uk/2018/10/29/european-court-of-human-r...
Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
The irony that freedom of speech is more protected in Germany than in the US.
There is actually _less_ legal protection for speech in Germany than the US. For instance, it's against the law to insult a government official like a cop (Beamtenbeleidigung). This could mean saying something like "damn cops" in earshot of the police - it doesn't take much. You could argue that courts aren't as accessible in the US as they should be without deep pockets (rightfully so), but fundamentally free speech…
People talk a lot about the UK's strict defamation laws, but the German concept of "Beleidigung" goes much much further. It's against the law to give someone the middle finger, for example.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Github hosting is not the be all and end all of open source software development. There are alternatives, ranging from hosting on one of the Chinese public clouds, using 'bulletproof' hosts that cater to such things as phishing groups, cutting a deal with the Russian mob to host development in Russia, hosting on an .onion site, or making connections with the Pirate Bay folks.
So the alternatives are groups associated with authoritarian regimes, pishing groups and mobs?
or just literally host a web page yourself with a link to a git repo, also on your server. All this centralization of git is silly
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not like any of us are going to be able to change the DMCA overnight and people rely on this tool for all kinds of purposes. Do we wait for somebody to magically fix the DMCA or do we make minor fixes to youtube-dl to make it less susceptible to bullshit DMCA notices like this? I assume most people just want the original repo to go back up and for normal development to continue before functionality breaks becaus…
There are other options, e.g. hosting somewhere where automatic anti-circumvention takedowns aren't a thing and the RIAA would have to go through a proper court process.
Automatic anti-circumvention takedowns aren't a thing for this section of the DMCA either. But it becomes an automatic liability issue when you're informed so a host is betting their business and in some cases the jail time of senior executives to ignore it.
That is the case pretty much anywhere.
Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not a lawyer but afaik the DMCA takedown process is prescribed by statute, and platforms must comply to qualify for the legal protections that make hosting user-generated content possible. Friedman would certainly be removed by Microsoft if he jeopardized GitHub's legal protections by defying the mandated process, to say nothing of the potential of creating personal legal liability, both criminal and civil. youtu…
>I'm not a lawyer but afaik the DMCA takedown process is prescribed by statute, and platforms must comply to qualify for the legal protections that make hosting user-generated content possible. Correct, that's why I said they should deliberately open themselves to liability, and the fight this in court. Moreover, technically they already have, anyway. The anti-circumvention law (17 § 1201) does not even offer safe ha…
They could get the police to launch criminal charges in many European jurisdictions.
Re: RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHub’s CEO
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
So the alternatives are groups associated with authoritarian regimes, pishing groups and mobs?
"If you outlaw freedom, only outlaws will have freedom." This isn't all that different from the fact that sites which prominently support free speech attract all the extremists, because that's the only place they have.
Hah I came to post with that quote in mind. But really, if the legal system is abused to remove tools that are legal but the rich and powerful don't like, they'll migrate to places where the law can't touch them.