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Re: Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur

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Post by AlexandrB »

nomel wrote: post #114
AlexandrB wrote: post #53

Both major consumer OS vendors seem hell-bent on bringing the OS layer under their complete control. As a power user, it's very frustrating. Meanwhile "desktop" Linux still kind of sucks, just like it did 10 years ago. I don't have much hope of seeing a compelling, unified UX out of Linux in my lifetime.

> bringing the OS layer under their complete control To me, it seems the purpose is almost always to protect the average user from malware. What do you think their reasoning is?

So what if that is their reasoning? Freedom also means the freedom to make mistakes. We don't set a standard of "absolute safety" in many other (arguably more important) areas of our lives, so why do it here?

Re: Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur

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Post by tapland »

ProAm wrote: post #139
gabereiser wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tim Cook's Apple Inc is really a nightmare. Sure we have sleek shiny laptops and devices that are amazingly powerful but at what cost? I still haven't found a trackpad as good as MagicTrackpad sadly otherwise I'd ditch the MacBook Pro. To be fair to Apple though, it's their OS, they can do what they want and we agree every time we update MacOS or iOS. It's crazy to me that we basically only have 3 phone device choice…

Would you use a good trackpad that connects via USB or bluetooth? Its a real question because I see a lot of comments about people not leaving the Macbook because of the trackpad even though they dislike the rest of the laptop? Seems like something that could be a product?

That’s called a mouse.

The trackpad is important because it’s the default interface when moving the portable computer. External devices kill that.

Re: Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur

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Post by bayindirh »

vinay427 wrote: post #142
gabereiser wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tim Cook's Apple Inc is really a nightmare. Sure we have sleek shiny laptops and devices that are amazingly powerful but at what cost? I still haven't found a trackpad as good as MagicTrackpad sadly otherwise I'd ditch the MacBook Pro. To be fair to Apple though, it's their OS, they can do what they want and we agree every time we update MacOS or iOS. It's crazy to me that we basically only have 3 phone device choice…

What is distinct about the direction of Tim Cook's Apple Inc compared to any previous Apple Inc?

Jobs' Apple created technologies which have rooted deeply in POSIX standards and standard UNIX* conventions. If you knew UNIX(Linux/BSD/whatever), you can find the same data streams on the same places.

OS was obscure but, predictable. Different but, familiar. It had kernel extensions, logs and devices. Nothing was extremely obfuscated. It was a UNIX device but, shinier.

Now it feels like a glorified iOS box with more transparent walls. You can see some gears but can't touch them. There are only limited interfaces to some of those, which you can touch remotely but, not alter completely.

I wonder what will happen to my EXT drivers from Paragon though.

Re: Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur

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Post by giantg2 »

seg_lol wrote: post #135
curiousgal wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regulation will never be ahead of corporations. Regulators always play catch-up. Seeing how, at the end of the day, all these company care about is profits, hitting them where it hurts will make a difference. That being said, Linux is available, and it's perfectly usable by people who would be bothered by Apple's dev policies.

These companies would be happy to lose the customer and the vars that complain. Unless you can convince 100x more people than yourself to loudly and dramatically move to something not as user hostile, just voting with your dollars will not work, there isn't enough competition.

"Unless you can convince 100x more people..."

I don't even know 10 people who use Mac.

Re: Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur

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Post by jeromenerf »

ProAm wrote: post #139
gabereiser wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tim Cook's Apple Inc is really a nightmare. Sure we have sleek shiny laptops and devices that are amazingly powerful but at what cost? I still haven't found a trackpad as good as MagicTrackpad sadly otherwise I'd ditch the MacBook Pro. To be fair to Apple though, it's their OS, they can do what they want and we agree every time we update MacOS or iOS. It's crazy to me that we basically only have 3 phone device choice…

Would you use a good trackpad that connects via USB or bluetooth? Its a real question because I see a lot of comments about people not leaving the Macbook because of the trackpad even though they dislike the rest of the laptop? Seems like something that could be a product?

Nah, it’s just people whining and finding excuses.

Re: Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur

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Post by rorykoehler »

dylan604 wrote: post #100
eptcyka wrote: post #21

Apple seems to do all kinds of weird networking _stuff_. For instance, during wakeup, your T2 equipped Macbook will wait for a DNS response and then use said DNS response to synchronize time via NTP before letting the user use the keyboard. Probably checking timestamps on signatures for the keyboard firmware, or something stupid like that. This only happens if it happens to have a default route. Similarly, all macOS…

Apple touted the T2 chip as the bee's knees in security. Now, we have a vulnerability that cannot be defended against. However, Apple went all in on the security of this T2 chip so that you cannot replace the SSD (besides the method to manufacture). I appreciate the desire at making a device difficult for a bad actor to get to your data, but they epicly failed and ultimately only made an user-hostile device. Oh, and…

Additionally charging on the left side ports makes the T2 chip overheat and crashes the machine on occasion.

Re: Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur

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Post by cecja »

nomel wrote: post #114
AlexandrB wrote: post #53

Both major consumer OS vendors seem hell-bent on bringing the OS layer under their complete control. As a power user, it's very frustrating. Meanwhile "desktop" Linux still kind of sucks, just like it did 10 years ago. I don't have much hope of seeing a compelling, unified UX out of Linux in my lifetime.

> bringing the OS layer under their complete control To me, it seems the purpose is almost always to protect the average user from malware. What do you think their reasoning is?

But what if facebook or twitter started censoring users... ups wrong discussion or is it?

Re: Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur

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Post by dheera »

gruez wrote: post #110
dheera wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was Apple every privacy focused? I think they mostly try to play the good guys to get on users' sides but actually are pretty much the opposite. They know everything about you. Why was the FBI even able to get access to that person's phone? Sounds like there was a loophole. Not happening if it were an encrypted Android device with a high-entropy password. Apple also has vastly different policies in different countrie…

>Not happening if it were an encrypted Android device with a high-entropy password. because you have to balance security with usability. iPhones use its security chip to slow/prevent password guessing. that allows you to use a weak password without losing much security, but if that system is compromised you're back to square one. I'm sure if you used a high entropy password on ios, they wouldn't be able to get access…

> I'm sure if you used a high entropy password on ios

The problem is you don't get this choice in iOS.

A privacy-respecting company would provide you this option -- Android does. You can have a high-entropy passcode in Android if you wish, and choose to sacrifice usability in the interest of privacy, if that is what you'd like.

Re: Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur

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Post by vlunkr »

gabereiser wrote: post #119
jjoonathan wrote: post #5

"You don't need kernel extensions, we'll provide APIs for you! We won't abuse the power that gives us, promise!" ...and now Apple has altered the deal and we must pray they do not alter it further. Disgusting. Predictable, expected, unsurprising -- but still disgusting.

Tim Cook's Apple Inc is really a nightmare. Sure we have sleek shiny laptops and devices that are amazingly powerful but at what cost? I still haven't found a trackpad as good as MagicTrackpad sadly otherwise I'd ditch the MacBook Pro. To be fair to Apple though, it's their OS, they can do what they want and we agree every time we update MacOS or iOS. It's crazy to me that we basically only have 3 phone device choice…

I used to be really tied to the Apple trackpad. After switching to Linux and a keyboard-driven window manager I couldn't care less. I'm not going to say Linux Desktop is perfect, but at this point I'd pick it over everything else.

Re: Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur

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Post by arcticbull »

vinay427 wrote: post #142
gabereiser wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tim Cook's Apple Inc is really a nightmare. Sure we have sleek shiny laptops and devices that are amazingly powerful but at what cost? I still haven't found a trackpad as good as MagicTrackpad sadly otherwise I'd ditch the MacBook Pro. To be fair to Apple though, it's their OS, they can do what they want and we agree every time we update MacOS or iOS. It's crazy to me that we basically only have 3 phone device choice…

What is distinct about the direction of Tim Cook's Apple Inc compared to any previous Apple Inc?

Without taking a position on OPs value judgement, the difference between Steve's Apple and Tim Apple's is that services have come to the fore.

Apple has historically always considered itself a hardware company, and now it is a hardware and services company. Small but concrete examples are the Settings page's "Activate your free trial of AppleTV+ today!" and their constant pitching of Apple Card. This is the thin edge, more than likely, of them moving to a model not of monetizing your hardware but rather capturing your data and selling you on a subscription bundle of services.

This transition is in a way necessitated by their declining revenue growth, so they're looking at new ways of monetizing their existing users.

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