Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Chromecast with Google TV

store.google.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

151–160 of 168 posts

Re: Chromecast with Google TV

#151

Post by anoncareer0212 »

criddell wrote: post #112
anoncareer0212 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotally, techies are tiring of vague statements about privacy and 'you're the product', especially about Google. If theres a tangible cost beyond enabling ad targeting, people are still amenable (this has always been true for the general populace, Google has a more trustworthy image than Apple! Imagine that)

I think you're right about the attitude among techies - especially those around San Francisco - and I think that's part of the reason why our reputation is in decline. A lot of America sees us as a bunch of creeps spying on everything they do and they aren't wrong about that. Video records are a special class of data covered by the Video Privacy Protection Act. The tangible cost is the risk that your viewing history…

To put it more plainly: Americans love tech and trust it, and not so oddly, in reverse order of how _tech people_ appreciate the companies.

Look at these ratings, theyre in direct contradiction with your guess of what they are as well as your thesis: Amazon and Google both have above 90% trust, Apple has 81%.

I've meditated on them a lot, and came to the conclusion there's a lot of class issues in tech spaces, and a borderline condescending paternal instinct towards users. Over 90% of people know their information isn't being 'sold'

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/2/21144680/verge-tech-survey...

Re: Chromecast with Google TV

#152

Post by scarface74 »

shajznnckfke wrote: post #150
scarface74 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

25 million is nothing. Apple sells close to 200 million phones a year. 25 million over a lifetime is minuscule. Besides that, Apple talked about how hard it is to be “HDMI 1”. Especially now that all of the TVs have “smarts” and most people still have cable. Not to mention that an Apple TV is $149-$200. I have two ATV4Ks that were both free when AT&T was doing their deal. We don’t even use it on one of our TVs that h…

I’ve found that the built-in smart TVs, including Roku, have a laggy and frustrating experience compared to Apple TV. Also, most smart TV software stops working entirely after a while.

I’m not saying it’s better. I’m saying it’s good enough that most people aren’t going to drop an extra $150-$199 for an AppleTV4K.

AFAIK, every TV with integrated Roku support is still getting updated.

Even if that’s not the case, you can pick up a Roku stick from Walmart for $30. That’s not to even mention game consoles.

Re: Chromecast with Google TV

#153

Post by scarface74 »

shajznnckfke wrote: post #148
scarface74 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not what most people do. Most people are watching movies on their TV. The Netflix recommendation engine is a huge driver of what people watch. Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu and YouTube are the big four. I’m not sure how many people are actually watching YouTube on TV though. You turn on your average smart TV or device, it’s also allowing you to buy movies on the device. If you are binge watching TV, your TV know…

I think what you’re saying here pretty much agrees with what I’m saying. By owning the platform where video is watched, Google will have more market power in the video streaming business. In the long run, that means getting a cut of revenues earned by video services on the platform, or preventing Apple from charging them that cut if they own the platform. It’s a much more integrated version of what happens now when y…

Apple already doesn’t get any money out of Google. You can’t buy YouTube Live TV nor YouTube premium via in app subscriptions.

VOD rentals from Google Play Movies isn’t making money. I doubt anyone is making money on it. Everyone is charging the same thing. I assume that’s because there is no room to reduce prices.

Apple, Amazon, and Google care so little about revenue from digital movies that if you buy a movie from one service and link your account to Movies Anywhere, all of the other services just count it as purchased on their services. It’s a feature not a product that couldn’t be above break even.

If you search for a movie on Apple and it is available free on another service you subscribe to, Apple will just tell you.

The only play for Google here is advertising and collecting user data.

There is no realistic alternative where Google is any more than a bit player when you have Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney, and all of the other players with real content. Google already gave up on originals on YouTube.

Re: Chromecast with Google TV

#155

Post by andrew_ »

Someone1234 wrote: post #132
andrew_ wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chromecast is still a hit with anyone who torrents or streams live TV from local sources, and VLC users.

Isn't that the Nvidia Shield's niche with its local Plex support?

No clue, I'm on a Mac and no knowledge of Nvidia Shield. Plex is great for a lot of things but it's not perfect, has a lot of format support issues, and isn't as direct and fast as choosing a Chromecast Renderer in VLC

Re: Chromecast with Google TV

#156

Post by tehlike »

treesknees wrote: post #130
animationwill wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Is product success a useful metric for whether or not Google cancel services? Yes. Unsuccessful products get cancelled. The successful services get to stay but the customers get hit with "insane price hikes": https://www.geoawesomeness.com/developers-up-in-arms-over-go...

Except for Reader, Inbox, Cloud Print, the Nest API, Code, among many others I'm sure. It doesn't seem to matter whether they're successful or popular.

I was a big reader person, but google is victim of its own success. These products were barely above a few million users. At google scale,1% is more than 15m person, and usually 1% is not justifiable

Re: Chromecast with Google TV

#157

Post by tehlike »

mbreese wrote: post #119
falcolas wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably didn't help that there wasn't an easy path to monetization for Reader.

Huh? If Google didn't want to charge a fee for use (which doesn't seem to be how Google works), then they could easily have inserted their own adds into the RSS feeds. Or had an ad bar in the Reader interface. It seems like Google of all places would have been able to figure out how to support that with ads. I just don't think that they wanted to. It didn't fit into how they thought people would be interacting with t…

Too small of a product for google scale. See my other comment in this thread.

Re: Chromecast with Google TV

#158

Post by animationwill »

animationwill wrote: post #21

Don’t forget Google already abandoned Google TV once: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_TV I bought it as a gift for someone once and they cancelled it and deleted the SDK.

Looks like someone moved the wikipedia link to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_TV_(discontinued)

... so now my post looks inaccurate

Re: Chromecast with Google TV

#159

Post by owenwil »

stuart78 wrote: post #100
owenwil wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The BIG difference here is that Netflix is fully integrated with the search/queue/discovery experience, along with all of the other major streaming services like Prime. Apple hasn't managed to land that one yet – having access to their content baked into the experience is a huge advantage, let alone not alienating Netflix as Apple did in the past with the TV app: https://9to5mac.com/2019/03/18/netflix-apple-video-ser…

If I recall correctly, this is more due to Netflix than Apple. Not sure if it is business terms or data privacy, but Apple seems open to as many TV App participants as possible.

It's the other way around – Apple imposes certain demands on content owners to appear in the app, one of which is basically treating them as dumb content pipes under Apple's brand – so Netflix, IMO wisely, said no. https://9to5mac.com/2019/03/18/netflix-apple-video-service-t...

Re: Chromecast with Google TV

#160

Post by owenwil »

babypuncher wrote: post #116
owenwil wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The BIG difference here is that Netflix is fully integrated with the search/queue/discovery experience, along with all of the other major streaming services like Prime. Apple hasn't managed to land that one yet – having access to their content baked into the experience is a huge advantage, let alone not alienating Netflix as Apple did in the past with the TV app: https://9to5mac.com/2019/03/18/netflix-apple-video-ser…

I think that's on Netflix, and I wouldn't be surprised if it is because Netflix won't agree to whatever privacy rules Apple stipulates. Other services are searchable in the TV app. Given the amount of Netflix chatter my Pi Hole blocked from my Roku when I wasn't even using Netflix, data harvesting seems to be a big part of their operation.

It's not about privacy rules of any kind, it's about Apple demanding too much control – similar to iOS, I suppose – meaning a bunch of big providers opted out. I get it. https://9to5mac.com/2019/03/18/netflix-apple-video-service-t...
Post reply on HN