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Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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Post by arjun1296 »

john4532452 wrote: post #137
slevin063 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not discounting the negative effects of the nationalism, but I don't think caste system is behind the current rise of nationalism. The prime minister himself is from the lower caste.

> The prime minister himself is from the lower caste. This does not change anything. Modi is just a pawn. He does not have any original ideology, he is there for power. Look at the number of brahmins and non-brahmins in the key position in the BJP. Look at the analysis here https://theprint.in/politics/ambedkar-on-its-agenda-but-bjp-... If you are still not convinced, look at what "Subramanian swamy" had to say when…

Subramanya Swamy is 81 yrs old. A person who has remnants and values of old-school of casteist thought.

I don't expect him to be post-modernists egalitarian.

However at the same it doesn't mean he can't say his casteist comments openly. ;)

After all, its better if people say it openly so that they can be criticized for their casteist comment. The likes of him is politically insignificant as he is NOT competing in elections.

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Post by liar_brigade »

nl wrote: post #99

I'm not sure people are aware, but most countries find Amnesty International annoying. My own country - Australia - has been frequently criticised by Amnesty (eg [1]). Amnesty's job is to call out human right violations. Citizens of a country may very well say "oh, we don't like these asylum seekers, so we will keep voting for the government that put these laws in place" (in Australia's case). But it isn't Amnesty's…

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Post by mschuster91 »

swarnie_ wrote: post #40
azifali wrote: post #38

BJP the ruling party is sliding India into totalitarianism.

A good chunk of the world has shifted that way since 2000, its actually baffling.

"Thank" 9/11 for that one. The reactions to this attack was the first crack in the dam of human rights, and unscrupulous/authoritarian politicians dismantled it until unrecognizability over the last decades.

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Post by malware7 »

ashleshbiradar wrote: post #150
malware7 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-natio...

that just says the government agencies raided the offices of AII, it doesn't prove any wrongdoing. Exactly the kind of harassment AII is talking about in the article linked above, only if you had read it in the first place before making his comment.

A goverment doing what it can in the limits of law is harassment now. Wow!

Re: Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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Post by sandworm101 »

john4532452 wrote: post #97
nabla9 wrote: post #22

Hindu nationalism is just like any nationalism. It harms liberties. India: Arrests of Activists Politically Motivated https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/09/16/india-arrests-activists-... Under Modi, India's Press Not Free Anymore https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/world/asia/modi-india-pre... Critics of India’s Modi Government Face Sedition Charges https://thediplomat.com/2020/03/critics-of-indias-modi-gover... Is free sp…

> Hindu nationalism is just like any nationalism. There is a fundamental difference Indian nationalism and other countries nationalism. Indian nationalism is all about bringing back the "varna system" which advocates stratification of society based on the birth and access to education is only allowed for the brahmins(priestly caste). This was the system implemented strictly before the Britishers arrived to India. No…

>> which advocates stratification of society based on the birth

Not a unique to Indian nationalism. American nationalism is very similar. See the "birther" movement. Or the president's push to withdraw birthright citizenship, a concept that would deny far more than just education. Or the references to "anchor babies". The location of one's birthplace, and the birthplace of one's parents, is of fundamental importance in US nationalist movements just as in India.

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Post by davchana »

mushbino wrote: post #117
Karupan wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> India will only be a true democracy when Hinduism, which manifests in the caste system and brahmanic supremacy, will be annihilated. I have no words.

Does the caste system still exist in India?

Yes, very much. Locally in northern india higher castes like Jatt Brahmin are vocal & expressive about their higher caste. Same in central & other parts of India.

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Post by deskamess »

mushbino wrote: post #117
Karupan wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> India will only be a true democracy when Hinduism, which manifests in the caste system and brahmanic supremacy, will be annihilated. I have no words.

Does the caste system still exist in India?

Yes. Many will deny it and say the new generation practices it less. If there is a decrease it is minimal.

It gets really bad when it is exported. See the recent HN post (or actual court case) re caste discrimination https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24552047.

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Post by [deleted] »

liar_brigade wrote: post #149
malware7 wrote: post #72

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Modi can't be always right just like Amnesty India. If they are so sure about honesty of their work, they should fight the court case instead of running away. Did you create an account just to bait here?

And your comments all over this thread are good examples of this. So, thanks for proving my point.

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liar_brigade wrote: post #152
nl wrote: post #99

I'm not sure people are aware, but most countries find Amnesty International annoying. My own country - Australia - has been frequently criticised by Amnesty (eg [1]). Amnesty's job is to call out human right violations. Citizens of a country may very well say "oh, we don't like these asylum seekers, so we will keep voting for the government that put these laws in place" (in Australia's case). But it isn't Amnesty's…

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Post by C1sc0cat »

sandworm101 wrote: post #155
john4532452 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hindu nationalism is just like any nationalism. There is a fundamental difference Indian nationalism and other countries nationalism. Indian nationalism is all about bringing back the "varna system" which advocates stratification of society based on the birth and access to education is only allowed for the brahmins(priestly caste). This was the system implemented strictly before the Britishers arrived to India. No…

>> which advocates stratification of society based on the birth Not a unique to Indian nationalism. American nationalism is very similar. See the "birther" movement. Or the president's push to withdraw birth right citizenship, a concept that would deny far more than just education. Or the references to "anchor babies". The location of one's birthplace, and the birthplace of one's parents, is of fundamental importance…

Ironic given that Donald Trumps grandfather was an immigrant - and German immigrants where subject to discrimination.
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