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Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Post by user5994461 »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #145
user5994461 wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it's harmful and if you appear a notch too aggressive they will probably dump you. (Reading articles about salary negotiation in the valley is possibly the most harmful thing a French person could do to themselves) Assume it's French cheap staffing companies (90% of the employment market there), akin to tata or infosys for foreign readers. There is a very narrow salary band for the position depending on universi…

Why would you want to work at such company with such poor philosophy then?

Because that's all there are in a 50 miles radius.

Thinking you're going to work for Google after reading English articles, is really harmful when the closest FAANG office is thousands of miles away in another country.

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

user5994461 wrote: post #151
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you want to work at such company with such poor philosophy then?

Because that's all there are in a 50 miles radius. Thinking you're going to work for Google after reading English articles, is really harmful when the closest FAANG office is thousands of miles away in another country.

Which city, country are you from?

I am from minor city in Europe, with no FAANG presence, but I found another company with similar engineering first principles. Nobody cares about education and promotions are fully merit based.

NVM you are from France, right?

You really don't have any such companies?

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Post by reedf1 »

As a UK based engineer these FAANG salaries seem huge. In some cases these salaries are 10x my own salary and I'm considered to be paid well. My UK cohort seem to think this is due to some difference in the cost of living but I don't think it adds up.

I'm interested to know what you guys would do if the main thing limiting your salary was geography. Would you start your own company? Move to the US? I'm early on in my career and I can make big changes.

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Post by swyx »

reedf1 wrote: post #153

As a UK based engineer these FAANG salaries seem huge. In some cases these salaries are 10x my own salary and I'm considered to be paid well. My UK cohort seem to think this is due to some difference in the cost of living but I don't think it adds up. I'm interested to know what you guys would do if the main thing limiting your salary was geography. Would you start your own company? Move to the US? I'm early on in my…

entrepreneurship comes with its own risks and uncertainties. do it if you have a compelling reason, not if you just want more money. many just don't make it but ofc some do extremely well. by far the higher expected value move for you is to come to the US. however I'd also point out that you'd be giving up a lot of the things you take for granted in the UK, in exchange for the higher pay and likely more lively career prospects.

you prob already know this but just in case, levels.fyi has realistic levels for faang

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Post by user5994461 »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #152
user5994461 wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because that's all there are in a 50 miles radius. Thinking you're going to work for Google after reading English articles, is really harmful when the closest FAANG office is thousands of miles away in another country.

Which city, country are you from? I am from minor city in Europe, with no FAANG presence, but I found another company with similar engineering first principles. Nobody cares about education and promotions are fully merit based. NVM you are from France, right? You really don't have any such companies?

I've worked in multiple places, I am in London now. Jobs prospects are extremely variable by location. (It's near zero for most of Europe that could be qualified as deep countryside).

You're extremely lucky to have found a good opportunity in a good company. I will guess back that you live in a major metro area.

France has very little tech industry for many reasons that would be too long to cover. Even the largest national companies that need technology do not hire. If you're familiar with the myth that it's impossible to fire in France, in short that's true, once you have a job it's for life. One consequence is that no company is open to hiring, they only resort to staffing/outsourcing agencies.

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Post by fastlight »

This is a fantastic article, I really enjoyed reading it. A lot of stuff that I "knew", but have found hard to put together into a cohesive thought.

For those of us who are happy where we work, and enjoy our colleagues, work, and have satisfied with our compensation, does anybody have any recommendations for articles on how to work on our next salary negotiation opportunity? I know the jump will likely be below one that could be received if I jumped to somewhere else.

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Post by tsss »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #56
awinder wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we are talking about vastly different things on re-reading your post. I’m keying in, along with the parent, on offers being negotiated at figures like less than 5% on base salary (sometimes far less. talking 5-10k range)

> I’m keying in, along with the parent, on offers being negotiated at figures like less than 5% on base salary (sometimes far less. talking 5-10k range) Right, but remember that you're not pivoting around the initial offer number. The hiring manager is pivoting around their budgeted range for the position. If they already offered 20% more than expected to hire someone and that person comes back requesting an addition…

That is how negotiating works. The candidate probably had other offers that were higher. Are they supposed to take your offer just because you were first?

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Post by user5994461 »

reedf1 wrote: post #153

As a UK based engineer these FAANG salaries seem huge. In some cases these salaries are 10x my own salary and I'm considered to be paid well. My UK cohort seem to think this is due to some difference in the cost of living but I don't think it adds up. I'm interested to know what you guys would do if the main thing limiting your salary was geography. Would you start your own company? Move to the US? I'm early on in my…

>>> Move to the US?

Moving to the US is almost never an option, because of VISA.

Even if you manage to get a VISA and find work there, you won't have the same career prospects as a local (culture, network, education, visa issues, etc...). Few companies sponsor VISA and when they do they know they got you by the balls because you can't change jobs without losing the VISA.

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Post by user5994461 »

TehShrike wrote: post #60
legerdemain wrote: post #43

> Virtually any amount of money available to you personally is > mouse droppings to your prospective employer. > They will not feel offended if you ask for it. Two comments. (a) I interviewed with Wealthfront last year. They offered $160K, which was lower cash comp than any of my other offers. I tried to open the door to negotiation. The recruiter and the dev lead then got on the phone with me to awkwardly explain th…

BATNA is king. If you have a great alternative, you're not being difficult, you're just being honest. My second-most-linked negotiation post, after the OP, is https://haseebq.com/how-not-to-bomb-your-offer-negotiation/

I have troubles taking your article seriously. These whole paragraphs of text, nobody would say that over the phone (wouldn't even write that in an email).

I can't imagine the person on the other side NOT dropping you when you're being this incredibly difficult. I certainly would have.

Maybe you're in the valley and they're really struggling to get candidates?

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Post by benhurmarcel »

swyx wrote: post #154
reedf1 wrote: post #153

As a UK based engineer these FAANG salaries seem huge. In some cases these salaries are 10x my own salary and I'm considered to be paid well. My UK cohort seem to think this is due to some difference in the cost of living but I don't think it adds up. I'm interested to know what you guys would do if the main thing limiting your salary was geography. Would you start your own company? Move to the US? I'm early on in my…

entrepreneurship comes with its own risks and uncertainties. do it if you have a compelling reason, not if you just want more money. many just don't make it but ofc some do extremely well. by far the higher expected value move for you is to come to the US. however I'd also point out that you'd be giving up a lot of the things you take for granted in the UK, in exchange for the higher pay and likely more lively career…

Also take into account that it's not a right to emigrate to the US. Most people won't be legally allowed to. You need to get lucky, and in most cases accept an unstable visa situation.
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