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Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by sslalready » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 2:06 PM UTC

jasoneckert wrote: post #78

What I find the most interesting about this article is that someone was able to be identified using a picture of their fingerprints. Thus, any photos posted online could be scoured for identification information. And with computer vision technologies becoming more mature, it means that regular video footage of people could identify them the same way in seconds or less using a wide variety of different visual traits.…

I’ve reflected on the fact that some makers on YouTube wear gloves and wondered if this is for privacy reasons. I see globes being worn even when they’re not obviously doing anything that risk getting their fingers dirty.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by johnnyfaehell » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 2:09 PM UTC

grumple wrote: post #49

johnnyfaehell wrote: post #39

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I guess the thing is, if drugs were legal the chances are lots of drug dealers would be doing some other crime. There are obivously drug dealers that sell just to pay for their own drug usage. But there are lots and lots are in it for the money and choose crime because it's easy to get into.

Other types of crime require crimes against people. I know easily dozens of people who have dealt drugs, half of them are small women, and none of them would hurt anyone or commit other crimes. Your argument is unsupported by evidence.

My argument is supported by crime statistics that show lots of drug dealers are convicted of other crimes.

I would like to point out that I used the word lots and not many, not most, not all. I specifically used the word lots. So counter statements like yours couldn't be used.

And if we're going to be pedantic, I guess it's my turn.

> Other types of crime require crimes against people.

There area many crimes where you don't commit it againit a person. Selling counterfeit goods, the victim is a company. Creating fake currency. Selling illegal weapons. Smuggling people in to countries (many do commit crimes againist people, but it is not required, just taking money and getting someone across a border hurts no-one). Shoplifting. Insurance fraud. The list goes on and on.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by tchaffee » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 2:09 PM UTC

thaumasiotes wrote: post #147

tchaffee wrote: post #41

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Prohibition doesn't work for meth or heroin either. Making them freely available under doctor supervision is what works. Switzerland did it and an out of control heroin problem went away and especially important, usage among young people plummeted. Yes it costs money to treat a medical problem. It costs way more money to treat medical problems as something else. Let's go with the most effective solution even if "free…

> Also consider that methamphetamine is not "life destroying poison". Addiction is the medical condition that destroys lives. It might not sound like it, but this is nothing but a tautology. Interfering with the person's life was just the definition of addiction. This was obviously-dumb enough that the DSM-V gave up on the word "addiction" entirely.

> It might not sound like it, but this is nothing but a tautology.

Quite the opposite. Focusing on the substance instead of the medical condition is part of the war on drugs and essential for the propaganda to work.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by CPLX » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 2:10 PM UTC

Synaesthesia wrote: post #111

blunte wrote: post #14

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There is considerable information back from the 80s to suggest that the US war on drugs was actually a system to enable racial discrimination. Then some years later, the ear on drugs became associated with the growth of the private prison industry and it's lobbyists. Indeed I provide no references here because it is quite an involved topic and difficult to prove given the publicly available information.

The war on drugs makes no sense, it should in fact be called the war on some drugs. So called illegal drugs like cocaine and marijuana cause very few deaths, compared to tobacco and alcohol, less than 1% It has been established that the best way to reduce drug abuse is through education and support, this was in fact from a RAND study. The militant policing approach has not in fact reduced drug use in the USA.

> The war on drugs makes no sense, it should in fact be called the war on some drugs.

I prefer the war on some drugs when consumed by some people

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by mlrtime » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 2:12 PM UTC

umvi wrote: post #149

tchaffee wrote: post #41

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Prohibition doesn't work for meth or heroin either. Making them freely available under doctor supervision is what works. Switzerland did it and an out of control heroin problem went away and especially important, usage among young people plummeted. Yes it costs money to treat a medical problem. It costs way more money to treat medical problems as something else. Let's go with the most effective solution even if "free…

> Prohibition doesn't work for meth or heroin either. Making them freely available under doctor supervision is what works. Those things can be mutually exclusive though. For example, you could make it so meth/heroin isn't readily available at the local pharmacy/gas station, yet also make it freely available under doctor supervision at rehab centers. I think many people (myself included) are apprehensive about making…

It difficult to even start talking about decriminalizing all drugs because it immediately turns into hypothetical situations about "buy heroin at 7-11 across from a school". Nobody is advocating that position, no need to bring it up.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by tchaffee » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 2:14 PM UTC

lixtra wrote: post #144

tchaffee wrote: post #41

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Prohibition doesn't work for meth or heroin either. Making them freely available under doctor supervision is what works. Switzerland did it and an out of control heroin problem went away and especially important, usage among young people plummeted. Yes it costs money to treat a medical problem. It costs way more money to treat medical problems as something else. Let's go with the most effective solution even if "free…

> Switzerland did it and an out of control heroin problem went away and especially important, usage among young people plummeted. You still go to prison in Switzerland for selling heroine on the street. Also there still is a heroine problem though arguably smaller than it used to be.

> You still go to prison in Switzerland for selling heroine on the street.

And yet it was widely available on the streets back when it was illegal, and now it's hard to find on the streets and it's still illegal. So what changed? Clearly it was not the law that fixed things, right?

> Also there still is a heroine problem though arguably smaller than it used to be.

A tiny fraction of what it used to be. Since I would consider that success, I don't get your point? I very much doubt anyone is expecting addiction to disappear? The point is that it costs tax payers far less when you fix the actual problem instead of trying to treat medical problems as if they are a legal problem.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by petre » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 2:19 PM UTC

ubercow13 wrote: post #132

jokethrowaway wrote: post #97

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No, it's the opposite of fascism. It's voluntarism or anarchy. Fascism is a totalitarian authoritarian political doctrine where the state is strong. I want a weak (or, even better, non existent) state and a society based on voluntary transactions and not on taxes taken under the threat of violence.

What's to stop a mafia appearing who takes taxes under threat of violence, if there is no state to stop them? Anarchism always seems like utopic nonsense to me. Something like, 'I don't like being told what to do, so we should get rid of the state and as long as everyone promises not to tell each other what to do, it will be great'. If there is no state, there is a power vacuum. There is a reason why power vacuums ar…

True. Iraq, Libya, Syria are noteworthy examples. Chechnya is another example.

https://m.dw.com/en/opinion-russia-still-lives-in-the-shadow...

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by jijji » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 2:19 PM UTC

leadingthenet wrote: post #69

jonquest wrote: post #60

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I challenge to do a google image search for faces of meth and come back and say that again with a straight face. That stuff is a poison that destroys both mind and body. If you think self control is enough to keep that stuff from rotting your face, making your hair fall out and keep yourself from going crazy you are foolish. Comparing it to ADHD medications is plain and simple stupid. If you think meth is the drug yo…

Stop it with the hyperbole, as you clearly have no clue what you’re talking about. Methamphetamine is routinely prescribed for the treatment ADHD (also obesity and narcolepsy, amongst other off-label uses), and is sold under the brand name of Desoxyn (in the US). Meth IS medication! On that note, maybe don’t believe everything you read about drugs online.

i think the OP is talking about crystal meth, not ritalin or adderall. Ritalin and Adderall is not what "faces of meth" depicts, as it depicts long term use of smoked crystal meth addiction.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by thaumasiotes » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 2:19 PM UTC

tchaffee wrote: post #153

thaumasiotes wrote: post #147

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> Also consider that methamphetamine is not "life destroying poison". Addiction is the medical condition that destroys lives. It might not sound like it, but this is nothing but a tautology. Interfering with the person's life was just the definition of addiction. This was obviously-dumb enough that the DSM-V gave up on the word "addiction" entirely.

> It might not sound like it, but this is nothing but a tautology. Quite the opposite. Focusing on the substance instead of the medical condition is part of the war on drugs and essential for the propaganda to work.

Here's what I'm saying:

Imagine two people who regularly consume cocaine. One of them is homeless; the other is an executive somewhere.

By definition, the definition of "addiction", the first one was "addicted", and the second one wasn't.

There are arguments to be made for this kind of definition. But you can't use it to say "addiction is what destroys lives, not drugs". That's a tautology. Addiction is the name we give to destroyed lives, not something that can be observed independently of whether a life is destroyed.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by alex_young » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 2:20 PM UTC

lixtra wrote: post #144

tchaffee wrote: post #41

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Prohibition doesn't work for meth or heroin either. Making them freely available under doctor supervision is what works. Switzerland did it and an out of control heroin problem went away and especially important, usage among young people plummeted. Yes it costs money to treat a medical problem. It costs way more money to treat medical problems as something else. Let's go with the most effective solution even if "free…

> Switzerland did it and an out of control heroin problem went away and especially important, usage among young people plummeted. You still go to prison in Switzerland for selling heroine on the street. Also there still is a heroine problem though arguably smaller than it used to be.

In Switzerland there are legal injection sites where addicts medicate with medical supervision and controlled dose.

Very few people are incarcerated for dealing because people with this problem have better and safer alternatives than street scores.