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Ad Fraud on LinkedIn

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Re: Ad Fraud on LinkedIn

#151
I am so surprised to be redirected to rate the linkedin app while using their mobile web interface, I usually give them 1 or 2 stars for wasting my time. Maybe I actually misclicked on one of those pop ups that takes me to their app.

makes me wonder what I may have agreed to on various sites by pure misclicks.

Re: Ad Fraud on LinkedIn

#152

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If the landing page has a bunch of soft stuff like 'expands synergy' on it I am just going to assume I was not the target audience. I'm not a CEO, I'm a practitioner. Put something crunchy in there. Sorry you guys wasted your marketing budget on a mistargeted ad lmao.

> Sorry you guys wasted your marketing budget on a mistargeted ad lmao Ad nauseam did exactly this until the extension was banned from chrome store: https://adnauseam.io/

If anybody is considering using this for privacy reasons don't.

If you want to piss off as dev or act like a bot, only then use it.

Re: Ad Fraud on LinkedIn

#153
post #7

I advertised on LI about a year ago. I had reasonable success (in terms of new leads/signups). Here is what I remember from the experience. I found that the interface for managing ads was terribly buggy and shouldn't even be considered production ready. One bug that I remember is that it wasn't possible to remove ads, and the button to suspend an add didn't work most of the time. In typical LI fashion the interface w…

Strange. I always thought the reason they weren’t improving the Consumer end user GUI was because they focused monetization on Enterprise. I guess it was crap all around. (Perhaps they under invest because they have such a defensible position as the one place for online resumes)

Their Sales Navigator offering is utter crap, too. Borderline useless. I canceled after about a year because changes to the free version made it sufficient for my use.

As a further warning, don't even consider utilizing the LinkedIn platform as a creator or community builder. For example, I manage some popular groups, and one day LinkedIn decided that I send too many messages by welcoming new members. Even though their documentation still stated that group managers could message their members without limit, my account kept getting suspended. What did their support tell me? (and I was still paying $100/month at the time) "If you keep sending messages, then you risk being permanently banned." Creating value on the platform, for hundreds of thousands, if not millions of users, has no weight at LinkedIn.

Re: Ad Fraud on LinkedIn

#154
post #152

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> Sorry you guys wasted your marketing budget on a mistargeted ad lmao Ad nauseam did exactly this until the extension was banned from chrome store: https://adnauseam.io/

If anybody is considering using this for privacy reasons don't. If you want to piss off as dev or act like a bot, only then use it.

You can use it for privacy, by ruining the tracking data.

Re: Ad Fraud on LinkedIn

#155
post #58

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For some reason or other LinkedIn keeps thinking I must be very interested in Shell and Raytheon, though that couldn't be farther off the mark. Having selected "I find this ad annoying or not interesting" numerous times without any effect. What is this algorithm behind that thinking? Certainly not a good way to get some ad revenue from me (tbh I'm a lost cause anyway in that regard.. can count the no. of ad clicks I…

Let's face it Shell and Raytheon have much much larger ad buying budget than probably any/all of your actual interests combined. If Shell/Raytheon/types target the same audience as smaller vendors with smaller ad buys, then they will always lose the auction. If someone has a $500/month budget, they will lose to someone with a $5000 budget. This is why I think these "targeted" ad pushers are the actual fraud. Other me…

If this is the case then why does LI even have the "I find this ad annoying or not interesting". I thought the whole point of that option was to counteract a company that the user is explicitly not interested in from winning the ad auction.

If the option doesn't work than that seems like an issue on the part of LI, either dishonesty (pretending it does something when it doesn't) or incompetence. Given the company we're talking about, neither would surprise me.

Re: Ad Fraud on LinkedIn

#156

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Being that LinkedIn is owned by Microsoft, they are a public company.

Except as a product, the company (MSFT) is insulated from their crappy behavior, where if it were a stand alone company, there would be more accountability. Maybe that's a new platform company strategy: build a bunch of low-volatility/low-margin enterprise products for long term revenue generation, then fund a bunch of shadey operations as products to be pools for off-the-books bonuses and incentives.

When a company like Microsoft buys a company like LinkedIn, they aren't after direct profits. They're buying eyeballs and personal information for ad targeting. Microsoft already got what they wanted out of the purchase. It's the same reason Facebook buys tons of companies that will never directly turn a profit.

I agree with your larger point, that LinkedIn isn't really accountable to anyone; the Microsoft shareholders don't care what LinkedIn does.

Re: Ad Fraud on LinkedIn

#157

I observed the same with Google's "Smart" display ads. I ran a campaign for a couple of weeks and watched all of the traffic with HotJar. The first fishy thing was 99.9% of the traffic came from foreign countries despite the target being US/Canada. When I saw the targeting wasn't effective, I even set up specific geographic exclusions for every country != US/Canada and still the traffic was from mostly underdeveloped…

I ran into the same thing. Until now I thought I was just a noob and couldn't figure out a way to exclude each country by painstakingly excluding each country manually. These exclusions did work for me though.

Note: I am not ruling out that I am just a noob.

Re: Ad Fraud on LinkedIn

#158
post #90

A sample size of of 2,000 impressions is absolutely useless. Even the larger example is completely useless. I don’t even considering analyzing a campaign with less than 50k impressions, and I won’t look at a variable if it’s under 10k. Realistically I want a few hundred thousand impressions before trying to make big claims about fraud.

I hear you, but often times in B2B advertising, your target audiences are going to be small. How would you suggest assessing the success/failure of your ad campaigns if it's an order of magnitude less than your 50k threshold?

So if your audience is actually that small, you should do account based marketing (ABM) which looks entirely different. Rather than spend money on LinkedIn ads trying to target “decision makers at IT companies” you spend your time actively pursuing individual companies.

I’ve never actually worked in a role like that, but have had clients move from abm to general b2b marketing.

Re: Ad Fraud on LinkedIn

#159
post #142

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I hear you, but often times in B2B advertising, your target audiences are going to be small. How would you suggest assessing the success/failure of your ad campaigns if it's an order of magnitude less than your 50k threshold?

Let's not start with the assumption that we can reach c-suite at large companies in 25 dollars per lead.

Or that you can really reach them at all using social/digital ads (without missing your target on 99% of your other impressions).

Re: Ad Fraud on LinkedIn

#160

I observed the same with Google's "Smart" display ads. I ran a campaign for a couple of weeks and watched all of the traffic with HotJar. The first fishy thing was 99.9% of the traffic came from foreign countries despite the target being US/Canada. When I saw the targeting wasn't effective, I even set up specific geographic exclusions for every country != US/Canada and still the traffic was from mostly underdeveloped…

I work at Hotjar and love it that you're getting value out of the product! We do try to not record bots that advertise known user agents, like Google, Bing and other common ones. Reasoning being that recording non-humans will usually not tell you much about how your UX is optimized for humans.

It's really interesting that somehow the fact that we recorded these less known user agent bots actually made the product more useful for you and you were able to detect fraud going on.

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