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'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. The most charitable interpretation I can think of is that these professional journalists think that their readers can’t understand a nuanced world of gray and need everything reduced to black and white. There can be a concept of “BLM”…

Why is a burning building is so much more traumatizing to americans than people dying violently and unnecessarily to police?

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Honestly, the media is way off about the Portland protests. Take it from people on the ground: the picture painted by the media is largely wrong and mostly inadequate.

So what's the accurate picture from people on the ground?

This is only one data point but I was in Portland this week trying to get away from smoke and it was all peaceful. The protestors I saw looked like kids and older folks out in for a rally. Some were wearing bright vests for visibility, probably from cars.

All in all it didn’t seem too wild to me and I’m sure I didn’t see all the protests, again this is just one guy walking down the street. I never felt unsafe for what it’s worth.

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There are well articulated lists of demands from leaders of the movements. Not everyone in the gatherings needs to be super well-versed in the policy details to support them. Here are some examples: More modest: https://8cantwait.org/ Larger scale: https://www.tenforjustice.com/demands You can probably find more local information from your local BLM or other social justice organizations. Here is a specific example fr…

Some of these sound reasonable, some of them are completely ridiculous. It's probably for the better of the movement that these demands aren't the subject of (sympathetic) news coverage, because they're way outside the overton window of the general population. In fact, republicans/conservatives could hardly get any better support for their claim that BLM supporters are radical marxists.

Sure. You don't start a negotiation from the middle. Also, most of the actual policy changes would be local. The support of the general population matters much less than the support of those who are impacted. The politicians and leaders need to work out the details and compromises. The point of these protests is that one side has not been listened to, and it is getting people killed, and we're sick of it.

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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post #19

The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. The most charitable interpretation I can think of is that these professional journalists think that their readers can’t understand a nuanced world of gray and need everything reduced to black and white. There can be a concept of “BLM”…

> The mainstream news reporting...

That's an incredibly generalized statement.

All "mainstream news" from all countries of the world that are in Portland, BBC, al-Jazeera, CBC, le Monde, PBS, CTV, Reuters, AP and so on? (I don't know all the names of news orgs from memory)

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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post #47

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According to this report, most BLM protests have been peaceful: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/05/nearly-all-bla... original report here: https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonstrations-political-vi...

BLM as an organization has existed since 2013-2014. Before 2020, has there been any violence from anti-police-brutality protesting? The protests have been incredibly peaceful for years and years. What you're seeing now is a response to the lack of action boiling over. When voting and peacefully protesting doesn't stop the government executing American citizens in the streets, what do you do next? What's left? When yo…

No violence except for the Dallas shootings in 2016:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_poli...

Funny thing, BLM basically disappeared after this and just reappeared in 2020

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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I’ve found that most people I speak to can’t accept that most issues are complex shades of gray. It’s all our team or their team based on whatever news channel they subscribe to. No one takes time to dig below the surface and think for themselves.

The problem is, marxism progresses extremely well in shades of gray, where everything they claim sounds logical (“Are you NOT against police violence?”). But when you wake up it’s too late, and they are shooting Trump supporters at point blank on the street without trial (I’m not projecting, it happened this week), which is all but shades of gray. That’s why some people say “it’s all gray” and right wingers try to pu…

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Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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post #100

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In my experience from the Dutch press, they are all very left leaning. Especially our public broadcasters. There is hardly any right leaning press in The Netherlands.

The US is the same way, most reporters are democrats. See: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/25/media-bub... https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Do_97_percent_of_journali...

1. Forget reporters, our media is run mostly by mega-corporations.

2. Democrat != liberal, Republican != conservative, especially when comparing between countries

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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> The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. It’s a little bit cliche, but also true: to judge a protest by its most violent elements but to decline to do the same of the police is the language of the oppressor. Everyone I saw celebrating 100 days was celebrating 100 days of su…

> If the state wants people to respect the laws and remain peaceful, it needs to clean its own house of violent criminals first. No, the people demand that everyone respect the laws and remain peaceful. To that end, the people fund and enact a police force to protect life and property, and to apprehend suspected criminals. I don’t think it’s accurate to say that “some of the protestors have turned violent.” There is…

Can I get some details? Who makes up the contingent? Are they protestors, counter protestors or what? What motivates them, and how do you know this information?

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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I have also seen little reporting on what I suspect (admittedly, merely judging from photos) has driven a lot of the more confrontational protesting in Portland: youthful energy and enthusiasm that doesn’t actually think that much about theory or aims. Press coverage and the attacks of ideological opponents depict these protestors as a focused political force that knows exactly what it seeks and why it is doing the s…

There are well articulated lists of demands from leaders of the movements. Not everyone in the gatherings needs to be super well-versed in the policy details to support them. Here are some examples: More modest: https://8cantwait.org/ Larger scale: https://www.tenforjustice.com/demands You can probably find more local information from your local BLM or other social justice organizations. Here is a specific example fr…

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Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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The mainstream reporting was so bad I just started looking on Twitter. I found both pro- and anti-"protest" accounts with video. Even the pro-protest account videos debunk the narrative that these are peaceful African-American protestors. Whenever one lets the mask slip or shows her hands or hair, it's a young white person. These are night time riots, plain and simple. Surveillance footage released by law enforcement shows that Mike Reinoehl loaded and cocked his weapon lying in wait before he murdered Aaron Danielson. Even the people generally sympathetic to the antiprotest viewpoint are able to publish their narratives using videos from the pro-"protest" side! Even the Kenosha story, the one we cant tell on Facebook, is largely misreported.[1]

At this point, these Antifa people (who "don't exist," yet all show up at the same time and place in a uniform and are even aware enough to know who is and isn't allowed to film), the mainstream reporting, the Democrats and Leftist activists seem to want me to believe their words over my lying eyes. I don't anymore. The illusion is shattered.

I'm a bit embarrassed that people who profess to be hackers in our industry are actively allowing themselves to be cannibalized by a narrative that is controlled by those with power over information. Ever since I was a kid, wresting access to information from a powerful, ruthless elite is what motivated me to be a programmer and hacker. I couldn't put it into those terms, but it's the same sentiment from my first exposure at age 12. When a billionaire self-described hacker uses his authority as the creator of the largest online social network on earth to censor any evidence that goes against a certain narrative, even to the point of blacklisting, he has ceased to be a hacker, as have any employees who continue to be accomplices in this increasingly absurd information warfare operation.

I have no doubt that many of these people believe they are doing the right thing, but they themselves have been cracked and don't even know it or are too fragile to resist. Anytime anyone says "you can't say and you can't look at the evidence we don't endorse," I'm suspicious. Yet that is what we see right now.

The largest social networking site in the world will ban posts and even accounts for saying a certain narrative. The largest video platform in the world boosts the "reliable sources" mentioned in the article, and only puts less curated information after it. And the bird application uses trumped up bans, shadowbans and selective enforcement of policies.

When did hacker culture sell its soul?

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ro8hkfBDVw

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