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Anxiety, depression, and PTSD may be adaptive responses to adversity: study

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Thank you, yes, I said the same thing in another reply. I am Bipolar getting by without meds. I do not have a disorder, I have a difference. So I need to live and eat differently.

Sorry but that attitude is extremely dangerous. Maybe you have a less severe case that's manageable without treatment but that's not the case for everyone. Mania states are actively brain damaging and can blow into full-on psychosis. There is no lifestyle change, diet or essential oil that's going to stop that from happening for folks with a severe bipolar disorder, which is absolutely a disease since it destroys you…

I recommend looking into the few longitudinal studies for dopaminergic illness involving anti-psychotics -- the new "front line" bipolar treatment -- and long term prognosis. The severity and frequency of episodes increases.

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when these conditions persist after the adversity has passed, that's maladaptive.

Is a leg that remains fractured after a physical shock has passed also maladaptive?

if it doesn't heal in some reasonable amount of time after the trauma and remains fractured indefinitely, then yes.

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I'm most surprised to learn that this _isn't_ the current prevailing view in the medical profession. I am not a doctor, but it's always seemed more natural to me to view depression and anxiety as adaptive behaviours - albeit perhaps ones that can end up being triggered too far. I read an article once (wish I could find it) that one advantage of mild depression was as sort a "call for help and support" from other embe…

There's a general bucketing in the modern world of all unhappiness being depression that should be treated, which I don't think really fits what's going on. There are absolutely cases where anxiety and depression are a medical issue which warrant treatment with medication, but there are also completely legitimate reasons for those conditions. If your lifestyle is one of never leaving the house, zero social contact, w…

I am a bit confused by your comment. When you write 'legitimate reasons', do you mean from a _moral_ stand point? I can't otherwise make sense of 'legitimacy' in this context.

edit: Do you mean 'legitimate' in the context of it increasing evolutionary fitness in some way?

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>It is hogwash that they think mood disorders are "only chemical imbalances in the brain". Who are you quoting here? What psychiatrists think this? AFAIK, this hasn't been the meta for a long time.

No, I agree with you. I do not find psychiatrists believe that mood disorders are only chemical imbalances in the brain.

I have come across people have been led to believe it’s a chemical imbalance by psychiatrists, even in the last few years.

It may not be the modern psychiatric view, but it’s also true that psychiatrists are just doctors, and many of them are very slow to change from what they were taught in medical school.

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There are no diseases, only symptoms. We can name diseases forever but that gets us nowhere. They just have more depression, or are more depressed. By the way, why don't people get SSRI's when they are depressed with a flu? I mean that is caused my lower serotonin as well. So for some reason we accept that depression because we have a reason for it? https://www.inverse.com/article/40843-what-f-lu-do-es-t-o-yo... You…

> You see, depression is fundamentally and immune disorder. We react negatively to something in the environment, like a bad job or marriage. This is an atrociously overly simplistic statement. There are plenty of people who suffer from depression despite having everything going for them. A person can have not a single thing in the world to complain about and still have depression.

“A person can not have a single thing in the world to complain about”

What person?

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So why didn't anxiety, depression and PTSD abound in historical societies that were always at risk of some bad thing (usually famine but also sometimes invasion)?

Bad stuff has always happened and always will happen. Something about modern society makes us bad at dealing with it in a healthy way.

I don't doubt that there might be some mismatch between the environment our biology is optimized for and the one we live in now but it seems like these conditions weren't common, or if they were they weren't a problem, among our ancestors who lived under different circumstances.

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Out of necessity (after existing conventional treatments offered little help) I've been conducting a 10+ year self-experiment related to this topic.

Like others have described, when I started experiencing symptoms of conditions resembling anxiety, depression, ADHD, mild bipolar, paranoia and CFS/ME, I initially sought mainstream medical psychiatric treatment and undertook talk therapy and was prescribed anti-anxiety (benzos) and antidepressant (SSRI) medications. There was some relief but there were also unpleasant side-effects, and I just had a strong feeling these treatments were not really addressing the core problems, and indeed I even felt like the symptoms were fairly normal reactions to the life experiences I'd endured.

Later I tried to heal myself with nutritional and exercise-based approaches, and relatively conventional emotional approaches like meditation. Again, some mild/temporary improvements were noticeable, but they were inadequate, and it still felt like there was something deeper I needed to connect with.

About 8 years ago, I found an approach that involves identifying and releasing traumas, attitudes, behavioural patterns, self-perceptions and defense mechanisms that are held in the subconscious mind, particularly ones that have been attained in early life and have snowballed through repetition compulsion [1] (a concept that Freud first articulated).

I've been undertaking these approaches continually since I discovered them, and bit by bit all the symptoms have resolved.

My experience has confirmed, at least to me, that these conditions are "adaptive responses to adversity" (or something else related to that concept), and that in order to heal the symptoms, I needed to understand their basis at a very deep level; as Jung said, "making the unconscious conscious" [2].

Once that had been done, adopting new, healthy attitudes and behaviours and living free of those symptoms has been fairly easy; i.e., healthier behaviours just emerged naturally once the causes of the unhealthy behaviours were identified and understood.

If any researchers or laypeople are interested to know more about the techniques I've used and the results I've experienced, I'm happy to be contacted (email address in profile). None of the approaches I've used or their underlying hypotheses are novel; it's been written/spoken about extensively by veteran experts on mind+body health including Maté and Bruce Lipton. But there doesn't seem to be much in the way formal studies into these concepts, so I'd be happy to connect with anyone working in the field or anyone else interested to explore further.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repetition_compulsion

[2] https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/44379-until-you-make-the-un...

Re: Anxiety, depression, and PTSD may be adaptive responses to adversity: study

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I would recommend people watch this lecture by Stanford professor Robert Sapolsky, who studies these things in depth and is an actual expert.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOAgplgTxfc

There is a lot of arm-chair thoughts on this matter in this thread, and I feel this lecture sets a lot of things straight.

A helpful quote from the talk: "...the single point I want to hammer in here over, and over, and over, is something that people with depression constantly battle with. Back to semantics, we all get depressed. Bad stuff happens to us. We all get depressed. We feel lousy. We feel withdrawn. We feel a sense of grief. And we're not taking much pleasure. And we withdraw. And then we get better. We cope. We heal. We deal with things in life. What's the deal with you that you can't do that? And there's this lurking sense given that all of us have periods of being depressed and come out the other end. When you look at people who instead go down and stay down there to this crippling extent, there's always this little voice between the lines there of, come on, pull yourself together. We all deal with this sort of thing. I will make the argument throughout here that depression is as real of a biological disorder as is juvenile diabetes."

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Thank you. Yes, a strawman and so frustrating since I literally have the metabolic and genetic proof that I found out what was causing my mood disorder. And as a result the doctors are providing better and different treatment. This what this "layman" discovered.

Do you or don't you have a disorder? In the first post you made in this thread you very clearly stated you don't. Now you're saying you do. The problem with your post is that you very discretely stated that you don't have a disorder even though you admit to being bipolar. Despite the fact that your "difference" has pushed you to suicide attempts, psychosis, and more. The fact that an effective treatment for you speci…

The viewpoint that bipolar (and other brain differences) is a difference rather than a disorder can enable a person to have self compassion, and find peace and self acceptance, even though the condition will continue to affect them.

The idea that it’s a disorder and can be treated as such is a reasonable hypothesis for medical science to pursue, but that is all it is. Outside of that it’s just a source of stigma and misinformation.

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