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Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by yholio »

I believe the USA is squarely within its rights to reciprocate the ban that american companies such as Google and Facebook face in China. So the move is justified on commercial grounds alone.

That being said, Trump's claims that TikTok is a national security threat are more than dubious. Sure, the operation of any foreign company can be interpreted as a security threat to any nation. Who's to say that the latest imported batch of Ramen aren't part of a Japanese plot for a new Pearl Harbor involving explosive Ramen. But the only logical conclusion to this way of thinking is to completely isolate a country from the outside world.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by gostsamo »

dalbasal wrote: post #79
bootloop wrote: post #7

Why is the US always focusing on individual companies instead of working on laws to protect them from all companies invading the privacy of their citizens? Banning one player isn't going to help much in the long run I would think. Edit: I am an EU citizen if it matters.

EU citizen also... Why is our politics/legislation in this space derivative of the US? Isn't the point of the EU to get a large enough regulatory block to be effective at (among other things) regulating multinationals? So far all I've seen is minor bureaucratic layers (eg gdpr) and rulings (eg the adwords antitrust case) that change nothing meaningful. I don't even know who to complain to.

Issue is that in the EU the states have too much power that they don't want to let go. Currently, each country can block any EU-wide legislation on the main topics and the minor need two thirds approval.*

* Actually 55% of the countries, but they must have 65% of the population which means that France and Germany are enough to block everything proposed by all the others even they all get together.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by jorge-d »

ecmascript wrote: post #29
jorge-d wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah because obviously when the US administration uses all the big american tech giants to spy on every internet user it's for "everyone-else good" /s

That sucks very much, I agree but at least they won't send police to your home if you write critically about it. Your post here is evidence for that the CCP is way, way worse since your post would be pretty much dangerous to write in China if it were about their government. If you really believe the US is as bad as China, you're living in a fantasy world my friend.

I don't believe the US is as bad as China, it's just that it's really easy to brand China as the bad guy given how shady they are.

China will defend its own interests, just as the US (or any other nation), there is no good guys in geopolitic.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

badRNG wrote: post #28

Regardless of what you think about TikTok, the banning of an app in the interest of "national security" is largely unprecedented. The jump from banning Huawei from building critical public infrastructure to banning an app that hasn't even conclusively been proven to behave in any uniquely dangerous ways seems to be an intense, unjustified escalation of this conflict. [1] You may disagree with me on the strict securit…

> the banning of an app in the interest of "national security" is largely unprecedented

Given “apps” have been around in a significant way since only 2008 [1], this is equivalent to saying Obama didn’t ban any apps in the name of national security.

Banning foreign companies in the name of national security is well precedented and Congressionally authorised.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/App_Store_(iOS)

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by ekianjo »

Retric wrote: post #85
AndyMcConachie wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The USA has enemies, NATO has enemies. The short list is China, Iran, Russia, N Korea, Venezuela, Cuba. There are others, but these seem to get the most attention. Remember the Axis of Evil?

As 1984 put it ‘oceania has always been at war with eurasia’ edit: eastasia . Country’s have complex relationships. At the height of the Cold War the US and USSR still had some trade. It’s really propaganda that boils things down to allies and enemies.

> It’s really propaganda that boils things down to allies and enemies.

Yes and no, there are some ways of seeing things that are not really compatible. For example, the USSR wanted to export communism internationally which meant incidentally fomenting violent coups around the world to create socialist powers they could control. If you are a target of such strategies you can't seriously be "friendly" with such powers - it's not just propaganda.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by oblio »

emteycz wrote: post #134
TeMPOraL wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adults believe in every picture with a caption or video with text and sad music in it, as long as it doesn't have any clear association with a government. After all, it's not propaganda if the source is private, and the message is ostensibly made for teh lulz, right?

Sounds like we should abolish states, then.

I can't even tell what's sarcasm and what isn't, anymore.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by oblio »

gostsamo wrote: post #153
dalbasal wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU citizen also... Why is our politics/legislation in this space derivative of the US? Isn't the point of the EU to get a large enough regulatory block to be effective at (among other things) regulating multinationals? So far all I've seen is minor bureaucratic layers (eg gdpr) and rulings (eg the adwords antitrust case) that change nothing meaningful. I don't even know who to complain to.

Issue is that in the EU the states have too much power that they don't want to let go. Currently, each country can block any EU-wide legislation on the main topics and the minor need two thirds approval.* * Actually 55% of the countries, but they must have 65% of the population which means that France and Germany are enough to block everything proposed by all the others even they all get together.

France and Germany are not 65% of the EU population, not even after Brexit.

More like 33%.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by nazgulsenpai »

badRNG wrote: post #121
threeseed wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why you are bringing up the 1st Amendment. Operating a social network app is not a protected form of free speech.

My concerns are largely over the precedent that might allow banning end-to-end encrypted apps over "national security," but there is an argument to be made on 1st Amendment grounds. There are two 1A considerations here: whether an "app" is speech, and the speech of TikTok's users. If courts decide that TikTok is a "public forum," then there would be precedence to prevent the privation of this public forum in the inte…

This should be a top-level post. It saddens me the sheer number of people who accept the TikTok banning blindly because "national security" (not here so much but people I've talked to at work/other forums). This vague terminology could be adapted to encompass any communication that might be a threat to "national security" including encryption.

Once the precedent is set it will be damn near impossible to go back; just look at the Patriot Act.

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