Level 3 Global Outage • Hacker News Board

Re: Level 3 Global Outage

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Post by mark_l_watson » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 2:23 PM UTC

MLij wrote: post #104

India just lost to Russia in the final of the firstever online chess olympiad, probably due to connection issues of two of its players. I wonder if it's related to this incident and if the organizers are aware. Edit: the organizers are aware, and Russia and India have now been declared joint winner.

I am glad they declared a tie. Seems fair.

I had this problem two years ago while I was taking Go lessons online from a South Korean professional Go Master. For my last job we were renting a home well outside city limits in Illinois and our Internet failed often. I lost one game in an internal teaching tournament because of a failed connection, and jumped through hoops to avoid that problem.

Re: Level 3 Global Outage

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Post by jsjohnst » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 2:23 PM UTC

tpmx wrote: post #145

jsjohnst wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not all BGP blackholes are the same. The AS7007 incident from over twenty years ago is an entirely different cause, and thus unrelated.

What I take from that: It is a BGP blackhole incident.

What I take from this is that you’re offering input to a thread which you don’t have experience in or even actually understand, thus are spreading misinformation. You then are continually doubling down further showing your maturity.

You aren’t helping, so please stop.

Re: Level 3 Global Outage

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Post by iso1210 » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 2:24 PM UTC

ramshanker wrote: post #94

I hope these kind of “ipv4” only outages encourages more and more websites to upgrade to ipv6. #OutageBenefit ;)

Few people care if ipv6 breaks so it doesn't make headlines

Re: Level 3 Global Outage

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Post by djxfade » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 2:26 PM UTC

tyfon wrote: post #143

Seems like "the internet" works again here in Norway. I've been limited to local sites all day. Hacker news has been off for several hours for me. Whatever it was it must have been nasty.

I had the same issue on my fiber connection (Altibox/BKK), however, no problems on my mobile using 4G (Dipper/Telenor)

Re: Level 3 Global Outage

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Post by kitteh » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 2:26 PM UTC

kitteh wrote: post #124

Massive reconvergence event in their network, causing edge router bgp sessions to bounce (due to cpu). Right now all their big peers are shutting down sessions with them to give level3s network the ability to reconverge. Prefixes announced to 3356 are frozen on their route reflectors and not getting withdrawn. Edit: if you are a Level3 customer shut your sessions down to them.

Most of level3s settlement free peers aka "tier 1s" have shutdown or depreffed their sessions with them.

Example: https://mobile.twitter.com/TeliaCarrier/status/1300074378378...

Re: Level 3 Global Outage

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Post by waheoo » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 2:27 PM UTC

tpmx wrote: post #137

waheoo wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not a network engineer but it looks like a blackhole incident to you? This is how people die in bushfires.

Heh, I knew I was setting myself up for that from networking people - i know the attitude. I was of course merely repeating the sentiment in that thread. What more disclaimers do you need to avoid displaying your superiority in networking? Sheesh.

You were repeating a suspicion as if it was yours, as if it was a shared view in that thread, it wasn't, i'm not a network engineer but I read the thread too, nobody needs people spreading misinformation in a crisis just to sound smart, its not useful and usually harmful.

No superiority here.

Re: Level 3 Global Outage

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Post by tpmx » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 2:27 PM UTC

jsjohnst wrote: post #152

tpmx wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I take from that: It is a BGP blackhole incident.

What I take from this is that you’re offering input to a thread which you don’t have experience in or even actually understand, thus are spreading misinformation. You then are continually doubling down further showing your maturity. You aren’t helping, so please stop.

I'd wager I'm not spreading disinforming because of said disclaimer and links to emails, but whatatever floats your boat.

Re: Level 3 Global Outage

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Post by tpmx » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 2:31 PM UTC

waheoo wrote: post #156

tpmx wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heh, I knew I was setting myself up for that from networking people - i know the attitude. I was of course merely repeating the sentiment in that thread. What more disclaimers do you need to avoid displaying your superiority in networking? Sheesh.

You were repeating a suspicion as if it was yours, as if it was a shared view in that thread, it wasn't, i'm not a network engineer but I read the thread too, nobody needs people spreading misinformation in a crisis just to sound smart, its not useful and usually harmful. No superiority here.

> You were repeating a suspicion as if it was yours

That is a misrepresentation.

I wrote:

"Not a network engineer, but based on the comments there". I prefaced the insecure speculation part with "possibly". It was obvious to any reader this was a summary of the emails there.

You are overreacting.

Re: Level 3 Global Outage

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Post by cyphar » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 2:31 PM UTC

redwood wrote: post #127

MLij wrote: post #104

India just lost to Russia in the final of the firstever online chess olympiad, probably due to connection issues of two of its players. I wonder if it's related to this incident and if the organizers are aware. Edit: the organizers are aware, and Russia and India have now been declared joint winner.

Interesting. How would connection issues cause them to lose? Was it a timed round?

All professional chess games have a time limit for each player (if you've ever heard of "chess clocks" -- that's what they're used for). In "slow chess" each player has a 2-hour limit and all of the other time control schemes (such as rapid and blitz) are much shorter.

Re: Level 3 Global Outage

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Post by Strom » Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 2:33 PM UTC

aminozuur wrote: post #150

MLij wrote: post #104

India just lost to Russia in the final of the firstever online chess olympiad, probably due to connection issues of two of its players. I wonder if it's related to this incident and if the organizers are aware. Edit: the organizers are aware, and Russia and India have now been declared joint winner.

That's fascinating. But I wonder, why don't they start over, or continue where they left off, once the internet is back?

> continue where they left off

The games are timed and this pause gives a lot of thinking time. If they're allowed to talk with others during the pause, then also consulting time.

> why don't they start over

That would be unfair to the player who was ahead.

That said, both players might still be fine with a clean rematch, because being the undisputed winner feels better. I wonder if they were asked (anonymously to prevent public hate) whether they would be fine with a rematch.