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Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by madeofpalk »

gspr wrote: post #59
spideymans wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This highlights the bigger issue of web developers and designers only working on the latest and greatest hardware with the fastest performance and the best user experience. Their users may not have access to the same hardware, while developers and designers are totally blind to how their software might perform on anything but a recent model MacBook Pro or XPS.

In this case I'd say it highlights another problem too: web developers thinking it is their prerogative to control how their users scroll.

"to be fair" - on Apple's site they arent controlling how the user's scroll. They aren't scroll hijacking, they're just progressing video playback based on the native scroll position.

It's still janky (and buggy?) as hell on Chrome on Windows with a mouse with a scroll wheel.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by madeofpalk »

elliekelly wrote: post #92
pcmaffey wrote: post #55

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Infinite scroll pages have also contributed to their demise...

Infinite scroll often make it nearly impossible to click on the site's privacy policy or terms of service in the page footer without going into dev tools. Whenever I come across that issue I wonder whether it's a feature or a bug.

Does this actually happen frequently?

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by sitkack »

Tagbert wrote: post #41
dusted wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes, that's pretty terrible, I always scroll with the mouse wheel, since I'm tool old to be rubbing a plate of glass and not feel like a moron. But this one, made my finger hurt a bit and I din't even make it half way down.

You can also tap the space bar to scroll a screen at a time

I believe this will be gone in a couple years. Lots of google properties are over-riding this.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by mattacular »

All valid criticisms. The hidden scroll bar is also really hard to use. It removes the ability to jump to a position by clicking. It's hard to see sometimes too.

You'll notice that Apple loves to champion usability (HIG etc) ... except when it flies in the face of their minimalist aesthetic.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by plorkyeran »

marmshallow wrote: post #122

While folks are rightfully bashing macOS’s hidden scroll bars, I would like to advertise an iOS feature that is actually pro-scroll bar. As of iOS 13, you can grab the scroll bar to scroll at hyper speed rather than repeatedly flicking the screen. Not sure if there’s a proper name for this feature but it’s explained here https://www.idownloadblog.com/2019/08/05/scroll-faster-iphon...

We used to call that "using the scroll bar".

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by dmitriid »

ricardobeat wrote: post #97
jakub_g wrote: post #71

If you read between the lines, you should understand that the root cause of issue is the macOS developer monoculture. All you need is one Windows or Linux-based developer in your team to catch those kind of issues. But so many dev teams are macOS-only those days, whereas, apart from US and 2-3 other rich countries, 80%+ or even more of actual desktop users are Windows-based. (There are many other problems with macOS…

All you need is a round of testing for cross-browser compatibility. It's a pretty much solved problem by now, doesn't take that much time and can be automated. There is nothing stopping every developer from doing it - besides the usual pressure to deliver features in place of proper engineering.

> All you need is a round of testing for cross-browser compatibility. It's a pretty much solved problem by now, doesn't take that much time and can be automated.

Please show me a solved automated test for the issue in the post.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by croes »

jfengel wrote: post #136
jakub_g wrote: post #71

If you read between the lines, you should understand that the root cause of issue is the macOS developer monoculture. All you need is one Windows or Linux-based developer in your team to catch those kind of issues. But so many dev teams are macOS-only those days, whereas, apart from US and 2-3 other rich countries, 80%+ or even more of actual desktop users are Windows-based. (There are many other problems with macOS…

From a UX standpoint there's a big advantage to monoculture: the user learns a thing once and applies the idiom everywhere. For most users, diversity of options means having to learn every option. They'd rather have one good thing -- or even one good-enough thing. The world does have a variety of options, so users need to live with the fact that they're going to have to discover things, and designers are going to hav…

That monoculture means you can't change anything because it breaks the learned idioms. And there is no best possible UX. UX is mostly subjective measured.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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Post by wazoox »

Filligree wrote: post #139
x87678r wrote: post #124

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Linux on laptops is getting much better too. Is a great alternative now for developers.

So long as you don't need HiDPI, multi-gpu or good touch-pad support.

My new Lenovo laptop touchpad works perfectly well (much better than my old XPS13). Running Pop_OS 20.04.
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