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Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #103

A lot of talk in this article about Google capturing the whole web, all valid points, but I find the Facebook walled garden even more terrifying. I see people now, often in online school parent groups I'm a part of, etc. who cannot even use email anymore, who don't use web pages at all, they get all their information through Facebook groups and Facebook, and only talk through Facebook messenger or sometimes SMS. E-ma…

what employment do these people have, given the theory of an increasingly technical workforce?

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by cblconfederate »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #103

A lot of talk in this article about Google capturing the whole web, all valid points, but I find the Facebook walled garden even more terrifying. I see people now, often in online school parent groups I'm a part of, etc. who cannot even use email anymore, who don't use web pages at all, they get all their information through Facebook groups and Facebook, and only talk through Facebook messenger or sometimes SMS. E-ma…

It's the equivalent of people who always used the phone, and didnt give a toss about the internet. I 'm not sure why it's alarming

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by barrenko »

Maybe the search itself will die to this monopolization. You go to Wikipedia for basic stuff, Hacker News for drama and shame you don't know Lisp, Khan Academy for math, Facebook/IG, Twitter, et cetera...

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

cblconfederate wrote: post #152
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #103

A lot of talk in this article about Google capturing the whole web, all valid points, but I find the Facebook walled garden even more terrifying. I see people now, often in online school parent groups I'm a part of, etc. who cannot even use email anymore, who don't use web pages at all, they get all their information through Facebook groups and Facebook, and only talk through Facebook messenger or sometimes SMS. E-ma…

It's the equivalent of people who always used the phone, and didnt give a toss about the internet. I 'm not sure why it's alarming

The phone was a public utility, somewhat regulated in the public interest.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by harpratap »

JPLeRouzic wrote: post #114
walrus01 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They run large portions of it as essentially a gargantuan hosting company, in data centers in a few fixed locations. They buy a lot of dark fiber, and IRUs, and wavelength services from carrier-of-carrier type big ISPs, but by no means do they control the internet. But they are not in the same business of long distance OSI layer 1 ISP operations as CenturyLink/level3, zayo or Verizon are. Where I would be really worr…

It's a good time for Amazon or Google to buy a Telco, Telcos valuations have lost between 25 to 45% since the beginning of 2020 [0] I guess that a state owned company would willingly be sold by its owner because states urgently need money. For example Orange sa (ex France telecom) is owned at 25% by the French state and French state just had passed a budget which is financed at half by debt (2021). Selling a company…

There's no point in buying a Teleco today, with 5G any of the FAANGs can create one with the money they have. Infact Google, Amazon, Microsoft and Facebook have proven experience in web scale, so 5G will be right up their alley

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by julianlam »

eqtn wrote: post #78
texasbigdata wrote: post #4

AMP still makes no sense. On iOS, Android and Windows it’s completely broken and friction increasing to grab a link to send to a friend in another medium. Not only that but it seems the page slightly degrades sometimes. For what? A theoretical page load time improvement? Maybe that’s naive but we already have “request desktop mode” to allow for bifurcated experiences. Why do we need a third thats seemingly even worse…

Disable chrome and make firefox nightly your default browser. Amp links gets redirected to correct urls. Works for left side news feed too.

I desperately want to use Firefox nightly or beta... But the mobile experience is a disaster. They were on track to roll it out to Firefox stable, but I guess now that the team's gone, I won't have that forced down my throat...

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by skinnymuch »

kristopolous wrote: post #126
alangibson wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If by 'the concept' you mean 'be faster', then yea. But that's not much of an endorsement of AMP.

I don't know if you remember the mobile news web around 2015 or so. Content would furiously jump around as the page was overcome by advalanches, videos on autoplay would pop up in all the corners, as you scrolled, the page would often break at paragraphs as even more videos would load, secretly sliding in the content like some infestation. If you tried to highlight text to copy, you'd see interstitial popups of yet a…

Why mobile news web of 2015? I don’t use amp. Is what you’re saying an issue now too or?

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by arnvald »

searchableguy wrote: post #119
kristopolous wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't you have said the same thing 20 years ago and used "AOL" instead? There seems to be a large group of users who consistently fit this trend and the company names just get swapped occasionally

What's the difference between hn and a facebook group?

HN allows you to see all the content without registration. Facebook pushes login pop-ups even on pages of restaurants etc (which often replace independent websites these days)

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #151
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #103

A lot of talk in this article about Google capturing the whole web, all valid points, but I find the Facebook walled garden even more terrifying. I see people now, often in online school parent groups I'm a part of, etc. who cannot even use email anymore, who don't use web pages at all, they get all their information through Facebook groups and Facebook, and only talk through Facebook messenger or sometimes SMS. E-ma…

what employment do these people have, given the theory of an increasingly technical workforce?

A vast chunk of the population works in the service sector. Often not really engaging with technology beyond the fixed payment terminals or whatever they need for their jobs.

But mostly now people just use their phones for interacting with the Internet. And 10 years on it is still the case that the open web from a phone kinda sucks. Facebook works great on a phone, as a mostly consumption-only, attention-sucking, twitch-scroll heavy medium.

Re: Web by Google (TM)

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Post by jasode »

searchableguy wrote: post #119
kristopolous wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't you have said the same thing 20 years ago and used "AOL" instead? There seems to be a large group of users who consistently fit this trend and the company names just get swapped occasionally

What's the difference between hn and a facebook group?

>What's the difference between hn and a facebook group?

- creating a discussion forum like HN -- whether via PG's custom Lisp programming or installing/hosting software like PhpBB/Vbulletin is way more difficult for non-techie users. Compare that to the easy steps of creating a new Facebook group.[1]

- HN is a mixture of real names, pseudonymous, and anonymous identities. Facebook is mostly real names.

- HN has no integrated calendar of related events, no rich media like photos and videos, no realtime chat with group members. Facebook groups can include that. Yes, HN demographic hates all that distracting "noise" but Facebook demographic does not.

[1] https://www.facebook.com/help/167970719931213

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