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Re: India Graduates Millions, But Too Few Are Fit to Hire

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Post by hga » Wed, Apr 06, 2011, 8:23 PM UTC

statictype wrote: post #142

mbesto wrote: post #140

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First, I was working as a consultant to work with organizations who off-shored there sys admin work. As a consultant I found myself having to document something step by step to the India counterparts. Why on earth does this make any sense to hire such people when I could simply do it myself? I've looked at the costs and they could hire one good on-site consultant for the price of 3 bad Indian ones. This is the age ol…

Well, I think we're looking at it from different angles. You see good outsourcing companies as those that have technically competent engineers. That's not how I see it. I think part of the reason big companies are still outsourcing to India is not because of the low cost of technical competence, but rather, the low cost of process management in developing IT-related software. For example, when you outsource a module…

I have an even more reductionist angle: if you look at the success rates of these sorts of IT projects, total failures are somewhat less than 50% but general failures, the latter plus systems that lack significant functions that were part of the requirements are well over 50%.

So you might say that doing this sort of IT is akin to cargo cults: these organizations aren't really doing it, they're just pretending to themselves that they are.

So, if you're going to fail, why not fail as cheaply as possible?

Re: India Graduates Millions, But Too Few Are Fit to Hire

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Post by pinstriped_dude » Wed, Apr 06, 2011, 10:42 PM UTC

ck2 wrote: post #54

aonic wrote: post #6

As the price of talent in India continues to increase, the problem may be that these companies aren't willing to pay the new premium for the same talent they used to pay less for pre-offshoring boom in India. Leading them to outsource their own resource needs to cheaper places

Out of curiosity, who is India's "India" for even cheaper outsourcing? I know some US corporations are using US prison labor @ pennies per hour for phone support, surprised that abuse hasn't been pushed further, unless maybe it has.

Egypt, Vietnam, South America

Re: India Graduates Millions, But Too Few Are Fit to Hire

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Post by ido » Thu, Apr 07, 2011, 1:51 PM UTC

csomar wrote: post #143

ido wrote: post #90

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Why not go to continental Europe instead? Universities are mostly either very affordable or, in some cases, free.

If the quality matches, that's a great deal. I life in North Africa. But do you have any idea (which university, how to apply, requirements...)

I went to the Vienna University of Technology.

Applying and requirements differ from one university to the other, but you can find the highest ranked ones (by subject) in several places online and the unis' websites normally tell you how to apply.

Re: India Graduates Millions, But Too Few Are Fit to Hire

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Post by rkwz » Fri, Apr 08, 2011, 7:01 AM UTC

SingAlong wrote: post #50

jseliger wrote: post #47

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One question: does India have equivalents to U.S. private colleges and universities? It seems like one of the U.S.'s major strengths comes from the fact that you don't _have_ to choose public schools, which means that a) you have many more schools to choose from and b) the competition, especially for top students, forces public schools to be somewhat better. A more minor Q, if you feel like answering it: which school…

I don't know much about the US. In India, some universities have have campuses and some don't. There are colleges affiliated to them. Then, there are govt-run colleges and private colleges. In between those two, there are aided colleges, which are run by a private trust, but funded by the govt (the trust gets to make profit while the govt pays a specific grant every year which takes care of the institute's expenditur…

>We had a lecturer for web programming classes who said "AJAX is a programming language"

I had a lecturer who said API was a programming language. It's only while studying for exams (during the study hols) I came to know what an API was. :|