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YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

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Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

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What fucking bollocks, community-added subs are an absolute boon for language learning channels.

If you go to Francais avec Pierres youtube channel for example, where they post videos covering various things about the French language, you can find translations in a number of langs, it’s a worthwhile exercise to compare community translations with automated translations— there is just no comparison. Why why why must you do this google

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everytime I visit sites like these, they're already infested with crypticurrency nuts, racists, conspiracy theorists, and all other manner of internet wack jobs

Are "internet wack jobs" not allowed a platform? There's certainly some content niche that they're filling for some people even if you disagree with them/dislike them.

Are "internet wack jobs" not allowed a platform?

They are, but if you aren't interested in that content, why would you be interested in joining communities where that is the focus?

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

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What fucking bollocks, community-added subs are an absolute boon for language learning channels. If you go to Francais avec Pierres youtube channel for example, where they post videos covering various things about the French language, you can find translations in a number of langs, it’s a worthwhile exercise to compare community translations with automated translations— there is just no comparison. Why why why must y…

Their wholesale removal of features and entire damned products would not leave such a bad taste in my mouth if they didn’t build their entire business on the back of pushing you to live your digital life in their playground. I’ve done my best to divert myself of having anything in any vertical that Google is in being mainlined in my online activities. I’m sick of being the product, I’m sick of making their business billions of dollars only for them to once again pull the rug out from under us.

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

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This is why YouTube needs to be spun off from Google: because there are alternatives to YouTube (Vimeo, P2P streaming), but good luck finding an alternative to YouTube .

YouTube runs at a loss. If it was spun off from google it would not be viable.

as far as I'm aware nobody has ever shown this, all analysis I've seen that lead to that conclusion are based on ideas that Google pays Tier 1 provider rates for Youtube bandwidth, which is definitely not true (Google is directly peered with pretty much every ISP on earth)

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> We have no idea if this feature was used by more or less than 1 channel in a thousand, or these accounted for more than 1 view in a thousand. If you really take all of YouTube into account then yes, the actual number was probably very small, considering how many cat videos, fail compilations, music videos, wedding videos etc. there are. "Last Christmas" doesn't need Cantonese subtitles but surely makes up for a lot…

Clearly they need some method of prioritizing their work. HN would have you believe that every product and every feature should be supported till the end of time, regardless of whether it's used or not. In practice, in the real world, features that have few takers are removed because the maintenance burden doesn't justify the benefit. > I'm subscribed to about 100 channels How often have you actually relied on commun…

> How often have you actually relied on community generated subtitles?

Almost never, since all the content I consume is in English. But several channels made posts about that upcoming change and there was quite some feedback by people depending on this (as far as I could tell, especially the Spanish speaking community).

> In practice, in the real world, features that have few takers are removed because the maintenance burden doesn't justify the benefit.

By that measure, traditional TV stations better scrap subtitles too, since the number of viewers actually relying on them is a minority, and maintaining it probably takes some effort too.

I think community generated subtitles, just like regular subtitles on TV, enable people to access information (or entertainment) they otherwise couldn't. There should be a better measure for its value than just how much effort it takes to maintain that functionality vs the number of users, otherwise there would be little reason for any kind of barrier-free technology or efforts really.

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> I don't think this functionality was as little-used as the support post represents. I've used it a little bit, and been watching a bunch of content that relied on it. That said, creating subtitles with their tools was an absolute shit experience. I've done my fair share of subtitling using other programs, and it's clear that whoever made the interface on YT hasn't really used the real deal, and doesn't understand w…

Sounds like they took the wrong message from seeing that it wasn't being used as much as they were hoping. Are there any other video hosting sites with a better subtitling experience? This might be an opportunity for them.

The took the right message... for Google. Underinvest in tools, set up metrics that show that users don't use them, present those metrics as proof that "users don't need these features", remove features.

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Is i18n deteriorating at a global scale? I’m seeing more and more nonsense machine translations and systemic errors in manual translations over few years in my language. Once I’ve seen a story about a corporate turning down “should” and “should not” swapped in documentation as a non reproducible issue, other times I see semi-sensical expressions that has 1:n relationships between English and Translated that needs con…

Auto translation is probably a big deal for yt/google long-term. If they maintain/achieve dominance in this field they're practically the only one to have detailed insight and anlysis about video content. Fostering an alternative market would be negative and cause more uproar as soon they expand their auto translation services.

I don't see auto translation being anything else but terrible, for many many years still. Possibly forever. I just don't see a machine being able to handle the culture, tradition or customs that are so ingrained in language.

English to danish translations are universally awful. Barely comprehensible gibberish(¤). So I use English operating systems with locale set to en_DK, so dates display as D-M-Y like God intended, but a surprisingly large amount of software somehow thinks it knows better, and displays its UI in danish anyway, so I get to have a brain aneurysm while trying to parse their danish translation for "anisotropic filtering".

(¤) Pre-emptive snarky comment: "Exactly like spoken danish, LOL".

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