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Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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Post by thoraway1010 »

mindslight wrote: post #148
jsnell wrote: post #125

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> Now it has morphed into this idea that every site has the responsibility of content-policing their own users, lest what they publish be linked from spam. Not sure what you mean here. The problem Deimorz was bringing up wasn't just about users writing something, and spammers linking to it. It was that this site was being used to host the spam payloads . By spammers, not by actual users. And this is how a lot of the…

> this site was being used to host the spam payloads Calling these "spam payloads" is incorrect. The spam payloads are on Faceboot's servers. These are sites that are linked to by the spam, ostensibly for the purpose of funneling to whatever the spam is trying to market. Trying to police generic web pages, rather than the spam itself, seems like an exercise in futility given the basic philosophy of the Internet. > An…

Malware and childporn reduction efforts also often go after the hosts of that content. I'm not sure why calling the folks hosting this stuff what it is incorrect. Sure, childporn folks don't actually necessarily "send" child porn, they just respond to requests from viewers. But they host it.

These scam sites are like that - do you really think you can make $30,000 a week working 30 minutes a day from your home computer if you just send these idiot $25?

Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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Post by owl57 »

AndrewDucker wrote: post #140
duskwuff wrote: post #131

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Hmm, maybe it comes in waves? I just read over the last hour or so of posts on /latest/ and most of the posts there looked legitimate.

Yeah, same. I can't tell with the Russian posts, but the ones in English were a mixture of journal updates and fanfic.

There's about a dozen Russian posts now, only one of which looks like spam.

Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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Post by filmgirlcw »

meristem wrote: post #97
missblit wrote: post #93

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If anything dreamwidth is closer to livejournal. Livejournal predates tubmlr by years and years, but there was a migration from livejournal to dreamwidth for reasons I don't fully remember.

Initial migration: LiveJournal was purchased by a Russian company. Users did not believe their data would be safe.

And even before that, there was this great purging of fanfic and other communities from LiveJournal by Six Apart (the then owners) that had people looking for alternatives, and you had a slew of LJ-alternatives built from the same code base pop up.

My memory for internet dramas is fading a bit, but I think it was both the sale to SUP (the Russian company) and the content policy changes (and the fears were only stronger under a Russian owner) that led to the massive LiveJournal diasporas to Tumblr (which was new, launching in early 2007), and the various LJ clones/forks like Dreamwidth, JournalFen, DeadJournal, InsaneJournal, etc. As far as I know, Dreamwidth is the only one of the clones/forks that not only still exists, but is maintained, which is really incredible.

Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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Post by filmgirlcw »

lucb1e wrote: post #98
missblit wrote: post #93

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If anything dreamwidth is closer to livejournal. Livejournal predates tubmlr by years and years, but there was a migration from livejournal to dreamwidth for reasons I don't fully remember.

> dreamwidth is closer to livejournal I've never been on livejournal, no idea what that looks like. I saw elsewhere in the thread it's a fork from Livejournal's code; it just reminded me of Tumblr.

Which makes sense! Many features from Tumblr and even Facebook, were first implemented by LiveJournal. The idea of having a “friends list,” as well as the separation between just following someone or having them also follow you (hence, being “mutuals” or “friends” in LJ parlance), the idea of broad tagging across the network or within specific communities, the existence of multi-author blogs (LJ communities, essentially), the ability to see and intermixed chronological feed of posts from your friends/people/communities. Oh, and the birth of Memached and OpenID (which was essentially the precursor for OAuth).

Tumblr introduced and pioneered the concept of the reblog, which was similar to a trackback/pingback in blog parlance, except turned on its head.

Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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Post by mindslight »

thoraway1010 wrote: post #151
mindslight wrote: post #148

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> this site was being used to host the spam payloads Calling these "spam payloads" is incorrect. The spam payloads are on Faceboot's servers. These are sites that are linked to by the spam, ostensibly for the purpose of funneling to whatever the spam is trying to market. Trying to police generic web pages, rather than the spam itself, seems like an exercise in futility given the basic philosophy of the Internet. > An…

Malware and childporn reduction efforts also often go after the hosts of that content. I'm not sure why calling the folks hosting this stuff what it is incorrect. Sure, childporn folks don't actually necessarily "send" child porn, they just respond to requests from viewers. But they host it. These scam sites are like that - do you really think you can make $30,000 a week working 30 minutes a day from your home comput…

You're just listing the earlier stops on the slippery slope. Make hosts responsible for policing information when it's viscerally-revolting child porn. Then make hosts police content when it's directly harmful to people's computers. Then make hosts police content when it's an attempt to scam.

There's already a call to control political information when it has harmful effects on society. Next up is "your website was blacklisted because you allowed a user to link to Plandemic". I agree Plandemic has no redeeming purpose, but censorship is not the answer.

Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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Post by busymom0 »

Lammy wrote: post #146
Jaruzel wrote: post #44

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I use: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.manuelmaly... as my Hacker News app, it does me. I like that I can vote on comments and stories, but it's irritating that I can't post via it. On a medium sized phone screen, the mobile web experience of HN is not optimum in my opinion.

HACK is also very nice on iOS :) https://apps.apple.com/us/app/hack-for-hacker-news-developer...

Thanks for the mention! Developer here! :)

Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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Post by busymom0 »

easton wrote: post #26
rowanG077 wrote: post #18

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The lack of an app is something for it. Literally every app of some website has the worse experience. Even worse the website will keep begging you to install their shitty app.

I'd say Apollo (or Reddit is Fun on Android) is a heck of a lot better than new Reddit, and about as good as old Reddit. And Google Maps' app beats their site by a county mile on iOS. There's no good Hacker News client for mobile though, at least one that's better than the web page. Not that I'm saying someone should make one either, the site is responsive as heck.

I am the developer of HACK for iOS if you want to check it out:

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/hack-for-hacker-news-developer...

Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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Post by indymike »

cblconfederate wrote: post #7

I wonder how long it's going to take for small developers to draw the line and stop voluntarily feeding the beast that is facebook and other centralized media companies. The feedback loop is continuously going to be against them, since they are basically training their users to use social media for discovery instead of visiting them directly. I moved my former facebook games away from their platform and even from the…

Personally, I've been burnt twice by Facebook, and I'm not ever planning on building anything on Facebook. First time, it was being unable to even get access to the jobs API (we had some fortune 500 customers that wanted use to help them do jobs on Facebook the right way) and the second time, it was arbitrary bans of pages, leading to our just shutting down any operations that were dependent of Facebook. Oh, and then there was the night I caught a hacker trying to buy $36,000 in ads via a chat agent's account. I'm still waiting for a call from Facebook support on that one.
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