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The CDC lost control of the coronavirus pandemic, then the agency disappeared

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> Frieden, the former CDC chief, argued that the agency failed largely because it has been shackled to an inept administration. “The overarching problem has been the failure to have a clear national strategy, a national plan, and consistent communication. Everything really stems from that,” he said.

That's a common refrain and the gist of the article. But it's helpful to zoom out.

At the end of WWII, the US stood as the only intact industrial producer. It parleyed this win into a decades-long economic/military/political advantage. Through a collection of unsavory attitudes, the country began to think of itself as different in some magical way. The reverence toward WWII as the last "good" war has kept the focus on winning WWIII for over 70 years. The belief that somehow we're special has made it impossible to look at actually solving domestic problems or even act internationally.

This mix fed directly into a world view in which problems come from abroad. You see it with The Wall and immigration policy. You see it with the focus on foreign election interference. When there's a problem, its source more likely than not falls outside US borders.

The marginalization we see with CDC can be found in a wide range of American institutions: the military; the space program; regulatory agencies including FDA, FAA, and EPA; the educational system; Congress; the White House; even recently agriculture.

The failure of these institutions, combined with exceptionalism borne of a military victory 75 years ago, has led to a broad abdication of responsibility.

You can see this in how the US spends money. Consider the US Federal budget. Over 85% of expenditures fall into three categories: benefits/entitlements; military; and interest payments, in that order.

https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-bud...

This has been a bipartisan effort that predates 2016 by decades. The latest incarnation is just one station on a very long railroad.

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I did some work with the CDC in 2014. They were organised and sensible and fantastic to work with, especially in comparison to local equivalents here in Australia. It's shocking to see how badly they failed.

Fun fact,CDC was not prepared in 2014. FEMA appeared to have their shit together but completely boondoggled every disaster response in some way. It’s amazing we didn’t see this coming sooner

The project I was on was on Dengue Fever and Zika and they had their shit together on that. The data was clean, well organised, delivered quickly.

Somehow between then and now that data collection side has fallen to bits to the point where efforts like the John Hopkins tracking project had to rely on the NYT open source collection on GitHub.

I don't know who is responsible for pandemic response in the US, but back then everyone at CDC seemed competent and dedicated.

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This is classic starve the beast. There is one party that continuously tries to gut government institutions - like putting Betsy Devos to head education, Wheeler to head EPA etc etc and then has the gall to say that government institutions don’t work Who gutted the pandemic response unit?

The CDC’s budget is $1.2 billion. Can you explain why that’s not enough money to provide good advice on managing respiratory viruses? Why it isn’t enough to manage domestic stockpiles? Why it isn’t enough to monitor domestic production of PPE? Civil servants failed. It had nothing to do with Trump, they failed at the things that their agency was paid to do.

Actually the CDCs budget is nearly $8 billion and about the highest it’s ever been.

https://mises.org/wire/cdcs-budget-larger-now-under-obama

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Over the past few years a series of American agencies have lost their reputation and world standing. The FAA with the 737 max, the CDC with the test, the FDA with testing regulation and hydroxychloroquine. Its important to have institutions that work, but we've spent years deliberately gutting them and undervaluing them. All that money spent on the military and homeland security, and in the end we were caught utterly…

It baffles me that you can complain about executive departments without mentioning the elephant in the room.

When the executive is a psychotic fascist who actively sought to be actively ignorant and contemptuous of the government he runs, why would you expect the civil servants to be able to effectively perform their duties?

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"Believing people without symptoms didn't spread the virus, the agency limited testing, discouraged masking..." This is false by Fauci's own account (see below interview) in which he states mask wearing was discouraged in order to secure availability for health workers. This is no small distinction as it raises questions about the importance of public trust/credibility during a health crisis. https://m.youtube.com/wa…

There are a minimal number of excess deaths now associated with COVID, so what is the problem? Allowing the community to acquire immunity naturally during Summer is a good way to minimise the spread of the virus come Winter. COVID severity seems heavily linked with Vitamin D levels, so lockdown during Summer would possibly have been counter-productive for the general population. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/cov…

We don't fully understand the long term effects. Many people are experiencing prolonged sickness that may never go away. The disease can do permanent damage to basically any of your organs.

Seems crazy to adopt a policy of infecting the world with a dangerous disease that we don't really understand.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7111094/coronavirus-scientists-he...

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Over the past few years a series of American agencies have lost their reputation and world standing. The FAA with the 737 max, the CDC with the test, the FDA with testing regulation and hydroxychloroquine. Its important to have institutions that work, but we've spent years deliberately gutting them and undervaluing them. All that money spent on the military and homeland security, and in the end we were caught utterly…

It's pretty simple, politicians are paid by large corporations to gut, capture and deregulate these agencies to be able to increase profits and decrease costs.

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The hydroxychloroquine study I'm referring to has less to do with the data and more to do with how the FDA behaves regarding the drug, where they gave the drug an emergency use authorization based off of what seemed like pretty blatant interference from the executive branch. If the drug had ended up working, maybe their reputation would have taken less of a hit, but that wouldn't have changed how inappropriate that a…

It’s another in a very long line of mistakes over the past three years pointing towards one thing: process matters. It’s boring, it’s not dynamic, but it’s also the thing that prevents organizations from making some extremely bone headed mistakes.

Agree with the point, but the disregard for process has been going on for longer than 3 years. If we want our principles to be taken seriously we can't just call out the other side. Remember "I have a pen and a phone"? How well did that work out?

...and it wasn't our side that called in a drone strike on American citizens overseas, without even a nod to due process.

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For what it's worth, and despite the title, when I read this article the message I took away is exactly the one you are describing.

It is Buzzfeed after all.

Yeah more crappy for profit media spreading outrage. The news/media is always negative ...tired of it and tuned it out/enjoying life without it!

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"Believing people without symptoms didn't spread the virus, the agency limited testing, discouraged masking..." This is false by Fauci's own account (see below interview) in which he states mask wearing was discouraged in order to secure availability for health workers. This is no small distinction as it raises questions about the importance of public trust/credibility during a health crisis. https://m.youtube.com/wa…

Which is crazy, because in March the U.S. was shipping more masks overseas than at any point in the past decade[1], masks started getting recommended while there still was a PPE shortage, and after masks were recommended it seems like very few were N95 masks. So why were leaders at the time discouraging Americans from even wearing homemade cloth masks? It's hard to tell whether or not they were lying to us at the tim…

It's difficult not to get cynical and conspiratorial when looking at the combination of political changes in the U.S., racial conflict, and the populations hit hardest by covid. Things like ventilators being confiscated and disinformation campaigns (hydroxychloroquine), preventing mail in voting, etc.. all seem very strange additions to the pandemic.

Then you have social media driven protests where large numbers of the populations hardest hit by covid are rightfully protesting police brutality. The flip side of this is that hopefully these protests were not less than organic with the intent to spread the virus among the protesters.

The total numbers of people dead are awful now, especially among the hardest hit populations. What's it going to look like if this doesn't stop in another year or two?

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Turn your adblocker off if you want to read those articles? If you don’t, don’t.

adblockers are a non-negotiable necessity nowadays. not due to ads, but due to tracking.

To give a more helpful response:

Some of those "turn off your adblock" barriers are just CSS and can be removed. When the browser gets physically redirected, (like Forbes did (or does?)) I've found using plain old wget will get the page in question (in most cases).

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