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Astronomers detect regular rhythm of radio waves, with origins unknown

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Re: Astronomers detect regular rhythm of radio waves, with origins unknown

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Pure speculation, isn't the most interesting time period in the signal the transition from signal to no-signal (and back again)? How high is the resolution of the sensors? Is it possible that some frequencies are blocked fractionally earlier than others? At a fine enough temporal resolution, there might be more clues regarding the source.

Good question. For many FRBs there is access to the original antenna time streams (which are essentially voltages samples at 800 MHz), so superficially that might give you 1.25ns resolution. However, the intrinsic width of the pulses seem to be more like ~1ms. That tells you something about the emission source, giving you a rough upper bound on it's size of c * 1ms ~ 300km. However, lots of interesting plasma physics…

You just made me realize that it would be cheaper for an advanced civilization to send a message light years away by altering the medium through which the signal passes than to control the source directly, e.g. a neutron star.

Re: Astronomers detect regular rhythm of radio waves, with origins unknown

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I think there was a HN thread not that long ago about speculation that (at least some) viruses come to earth from space, so perhaps it is happening all the time.

This seems such a "flat earth" type of hypothesis. I mean viruses depend on their hosts 100% so them coming from somewhere with no hosts and successfully slotting in with new hosts just seems immeasurably unlikely.

I think it makes more sense if you think of a virus as a software update for a genome. The question is not how a virus made it here--fashioning a delivery mechanism should be easy for a civilization advanced enough to hack into the genetics of a species on a distant planet--but who are it's authors and what new features or bug fixes does it provide?

Flu-like symptoms are probably just an unfortunate side effect. Things break during updates, it's an unfortunate fact of life. Maybe when a critical mass of people accept the update, they'll start building a giant transmitter for FRB's to let the sender know that the update was accepted.

Re: Astronomers detect regular rhythm of radio waves, with origins unknown

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They didn’t mention a simpler solution: random emitter orbits behind something / Is occluded for the silent period?

I'm having a hard time imagining what kind of geometry would cause an orbiting object to be occluded for more than 50% of its orbital period.

Binary star system

Re: Astronomers detect regular rhythm of radio waves, with origins unknown

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Are you saying that extraterrestrial intelligence is not “a strange phenomena perfectly explainable by physics”?

There's no evidence extraterrestrial intelligence is a phenomenon at all. [1] We can worry about whether it's explainable by 21st century human physics when that stops being true. [1] Although there is evidence very weird things have happened on Earth, like the recent confirmation that the US Navy UFO videos are genuine. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/27/pentagon-relea...

I’m not saying there’s evidence, I’m just pointing out that it’s a strange dichotomy to say that one one hand, we have explainable phenomena, and on the other hand we have extraterrestrial life. If we ever do find proof of it, I don’t understand why the assumption should be that it won’t be explainable.

Re: Astronomers detect regular rhythm of radio waves, with origins unknown

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post #151

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Good question. For many FRBs there is access to the original antenna time streams (which are essentially voltages samples at 800 MHz), so superficially that might give you 1.25ns resolution. However, the intrinsic width of the pulses seem to be more like ~1ms. That tells you something about the emission source, giving you a rough upper bound on it's size of c * 1ms ~ 300km. However, lots of interesting plasma physics…

You just made me realize that it would be cheaper for an advanced civilization to send a message light years away by altering the medium through which the signal passes than to control the source directly, e.g. a neutron star.

The Three Body Problem trilogy by Liu Cixin might interest you

Re: Astronomers detect regular rhythm of radio waves, with origins unknown

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One of paper authors here. I'll try and answer some of the questions in the comments. It seems like so long ago the paper actually went public onto the arXiv, but I guess the press embargo just ended.

Is it fair to say that leading hypotheses for this kinds of events include an orbiting body, leading to the periodicity?

Yeah, that's definitely one of the main hypotheses. There aren't any other repeating FRBs known to do this yet, so how general a mechanism this is, is not known.

Re: Astronomers detect regular rhythm of radio waves, with origins unknown

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An instantiation of me from a backup, however accurate, would be no use to my sense of having survived as I would have ceased to exist and not even be aware of the copy.

That's fine! People with your philosophy of self will just cease to exist, as they presumably will refuse to optimize for likelihood of being simulated, and those with a more permissive notion of self-identity will be the ones willing to adapt to the hellish computational circumstances. (Of course, you could say that everyone's ceasing to exist, here, because your rules of what counts as a person and what's their cop…

For an exploration of the perception of self by a digital copy I can recommend The Old Axolotl by Jacek Dukaj.

Re: Astronomers detect regular rhythm of radio waves, with origins unknown

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Am I the only one that needs an RSS feed to follow a podcast channel? Maybe I'm using the wrong app?

Try antennapod, it's libre software

I don't see how to subscribe to a Youtube video with antennapod. Have you done it?

Re: Astronomers detect regular rhythm of radio waves, with origins unknown

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One of paper authors here. I'll try and answer some of the questions in the comments. It seems like so long ago the paper actually went public onto the arXiv, but I guess the press embargo just ended.

WHat do you think about Contant the movie in relations to your job?

I mean, I sit around wearing headphones a lot, but that's about the closest it gets I'm afraid :)

Re: Astronomers detect regular rhythm of radio waves, with origins unknown

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Didn't read the whole thread just yet. but, to the point.

So, it's aliens. what would they possible be communicating?

What kind of information would actually matter to communicate over 500 million light years?

I bet it would be: a way to reply

I wouldn't bother to try to send intructions for them - us - to build another 500 million light-year capable transmitter,

But maybe, just maybe, they could be sending information for making us able to build a wormhole.

A we'd know where the other extreme would be located, so we "just" need to build one and point it to them.

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