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Carving out a niche as a small artist on Spotify

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Re: Carving out a niche as a small artist on Spotify

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65,000 listeners a month – $800 in revenue. 1.23 cents per listener per month. That works out to 14.7 cents per year. To earn a modest $50,000, you would need ~360,000 monthly listeners. This doesn't seem sustainable without outside sources of revenue.

As far as I know, even famous indie artists you listen to and whose concerts you go to often have to work day jobs. Most are working class. There's not a lot of money being a musician.

Re: Carving out a niche as a small artist on Spotify

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> Plus I think asking listeners to listen to a full-length album don’t make sense in our attention-starved world. Asking listeners to listen to a single song might just be a more realistic ask. This is why I love listening to albums, because it flies in the face of throwaway/hyper-consumable media. Spotify, with its algorithmic playlists and singles focus, bolsters the throwaway consumption of music, but many artists…

I got into vinyl last year and have been buying up albums. The experience is so different than streaming. There is a physical element to it that's incredibly rewarding. You also notice how tracks flow in a good album so much more when you're essentially forced to listen to the whole thing.

Re: Carving out a niche as a small artist on Spotify

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Spotify's discovery playlist is a double edged sword. My account is permanently screwed because I decided to listen to a lot of rain sounds when going to sleep for a few months while I had a puppy. Now ALL I get for recommendations are calm sounds. I don't actually listen to these during the day, I want my old stuff. I hate it and want to reset the discovery playlist, but seems I have no way of doing so aside from ge…

I don't use Spotify, but a decade ago my Pandora did the exact same thing. It was like the more I tried to tell it which music I liked, the less it played music I wanted to hear.

Re: Carving out a niche as a small artist on Spotify

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> In my experience, major label artists have an easier time getting on editorial playlists. ... But major label artists also only typically get 13% - 20% of streaming royalties… so there are still plenty of reasons to stay indie!

This is just like the tradeoff startups make when they choose to take VC.

Will giving up 80% of the company lead to the company being at least five times bigger? If so, then it seems worthwhile.

Re: Carving out a niche as a small artist on Spotify

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post #34

Spotify's discovery playlist is a double edged sword. My account is permanently screwed because I decided to listen to a lot of rain sounds when going to sleep for a few months while I had a puppy. Now ALL I get for recommendations are calm sounds. I don't actually listen to these during the day, I want my old stuff. I hate it and want to reset the discovery playlist, but seems I have no way of doing so aside from ge…

Same. My whole family uses my account, and now that I have kids, all I get are Disney music and Baby Shark knockoffs.

Re: Carving out a niche as a small artist on Spotify

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post #34

Spotify's discovery playlist is a double edged sword. My account is permanently screwed because I decided to listen to a lot of rain sounds when going to sleep for a few months while I had a puppy. Now ALL I get for recommendations are calm sounds. I don't actually listen to these during the day, I want my old stuff. I hate it and want to reset the discovery playlist, but seems I have no way of doing so aside from ge…

Having absolutely 0 insight or parameter tuning on these recommendations algorithms, from feeds to Spotify playlists, is really a shame. Like imagine you had 0 control on your computer parameters or smartphone, and it was always guessing like “This resolution should suit you”, “I just turned the WiFi off, hope you like it”, or “I just dialed that friend you seem to like to interact with”. It’s not a technical problem…

It’s not just advertising. It gives the organization responsible for curating the feed an incredible amount of power over the consumers of the feed. Currently the most popular way to trade this power for money is via advertising.

Re: Carving out a niche as a small artist on Spotify

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post #34

Spotify's discovery playlist is a double edged sword. My account is permanently screwed because I decided to listen to a lot of rain sounds when going to sleep for a few months while I had a puppy. Now ALL I get for recommendations are calm sounds. I don't actually listen to these during the day, I want my old stuff. I hate it and want to reset the discovery playlist, but seems I have no way of doing so aside from ge…

Youtube suffers from the same bias in their algorithm. I bet it's just a bias setting or a single falloff that would help things. It reminds me of Cronenberg's "The Fly" where Brundle had to teach his teleporting pod to reproduce living tissue rather than interpret it.

This is why YouTube for me, despite containing billions of hours of content, has become just a glorified vehicle for ASMR and Norm Macdonald clips
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