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Olympus quits camera business after 84 years

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Re: Olympus quits camera business after 84 years

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Are the lenses not compatible between cameras?

They are not. An explanation here https://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/57625/can-i-use-ca... Short version: optical physics, proprietary link for autofocus, capability differences

This could be like mortar tubes - the country with the biggest tube can more-or-less fire anyone’s mortar rounds but you can't fire theirs.

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Sad to see them go - photography's such a great hobby and having competition in the space is healthy. There's a few brands out there still, but there is a noticable stigma in the professional community around equipment that isn't Canon. If you're not using L-glass, it feels like you get the same kind of judgement that Android users experience when they show up with green texts in iMessage. As a matter of principle, I…

> there is a noticable stigma in the professional community around equipment that isn't Canon. If you're not using L-glass, it feels like you get the same kind of judgement that Android users experience when they show up with green texts in iMessage. Especially for Cameras and Lenses that's solely on user's mind. Your photos speak for themselves. You absolutely don't need Canon or L glass. BTW, maybe you are not up t…

For consumers, yes, they only focus on cameras/lenses. This isn't true for professionals, who literally earn a livelihood from their cameras. Canon Professional Services will repair and airmail your lens with a next day turnaround (free overnight shipping both ways), they will offer loaner lenses, event support, maintenance and cleaning services, a 24/7 support hotline, etc.

This is similar to the difference why Fedora is free, but RHEL costs over $300 a year for basically the same software just with added support. Professional/enterprise services are very different from what consumers need.

Re: Olympus quits camera business after 84 years

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Photography is one of those areas where devices don't go obsolete very quickly. With a good lens from 50 years ago I can still take an excellent photo on a digital camera from 15 years ago. Sure you won't have all the bells and whistles of the latest cameras and you'll sacrifice a few stops of dynamic range but for the average hobby photographer that doesn't really matter. The only customers who will upgrade every fe…

Man, I hate this phone analogy. Every shot I take with M43 looks nothing like anything taken with a phone. I just took these shots a couple days ago, for an example. There's no way you get anything close to this with a phone.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/TSFhhA5igk1iEfRbA

Re: Olympus quits camera business after 84 years

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To me, the big monoculture risk is Sony's image-sensor fab. As I understand it, Sony, Fuji, Nikon and many others all rely upon the output of one company's manufacturing process. There's a good reason for it -- they appear to make the very best sensors (edit: in terms of dynamic range and noise) in the commercial-camera market. Canon makes their own sensors, which are good in absolute but not relative terms, which ap…

> Canon makes their own sensors, which are good in absolute but not relative terms, which appears to hold them back in performance It's a little early to state this. Once the R5 and R6 come out we'll have a better idea of their capabilities as those are slated to have their new tech (8K video etc etc).

Even with the current sensors it's true: Things like dual-pixel auto-focus has put Canon sensors ahead of the competition for a long time.

(Dual-pixel AF doesn't just give way better AF, it also avoids artifacts from dedicated phase detect pixels that other cameras have.)

Re: Olympus quits camera business after 84 years

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Sad to see them go - photography's such a great hobby and having competition in the space is healthy. There's a few brands out there still, but there is a noticable stigma in the professional community around equipment that isn't Canon. If you're not using L-glass, it feels like you get the same kind of judgement that Android users experience when they show up with green texts in iMessage. As a matter of principle, I…

To me, the big monoculture risk is Sony's image-sensor fab. As I understand it, Sony, Fuji, Nikon and many others all rely upon the output of one company's manufacturing process. There's a good reason for it -- they appear to make the very best sensors (edit: in terms of dynamic range and noise) in the commercial-camera market. Canon makes their own sensors, which are good in absolute but not relative terms, which ap…

Some of Nikon's sensors are probably made by Tower Jazz.

https://petapixel.com/2020/06/05/towerjazz-hints-that-nikon-...

Nikon has also used Toshiba in the past but probably 80% of Nikon's DSLR sensors were made by Sony.

Re: Olympus quits camera business after 84 years

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> Canon makes their own sensors, which are good in absolute but not relative terms, which appears to hold them back in performance It's a little early to state this. Once the R5 and R6 come out we'll have a better idea of their capabilities as those are slated to have their new tech (8K video etc etc).

Even with the current sensors it's true: Things like dual-pixel auto-focus has put Canon sensors ahead of the competition for a long time. (Dual-pixel AF doesn't just give way better AF, it also avoids artifacts from dedicated phase detect pixels that other cameras have.)

True -- as a DSLR-user, with focus happening off-chip, I miss the superior dynamic-range of the Sony sensors more than the DPAF.

If I were making video, I suspect I'd be singing the same tune. DPAF is excellent.

Re: Olympus quits camera business after 84 years

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Shocker! I have owned two of their micro 4/3 digital cameras and loved them. Great rangefinder style in the $600 range with quality lenses in the box. I remember the first time I took the camera out with the telephoto lens and being shocked by the quality of the photos. Learned then that quality of camera + lens really makes a difference in nice looking photos. Edit - replaced 'DSLR' with digital

> I have owned two of their micro 4/3 DSLR cameras I thought all of their 4/3 cameras were DSLRs and all of their micro 4/3 cameras were mirrorless?

Excuse my ignorance, correct, it is mirrorless :D

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Is Pentax next? Oh wait, that already happened. What a shame. Both Pentax and Olympus had unique features to offer. Cameras are not a commodity yet. I still hope Ricoh will do something, Pentax bodies haven't had a real next generation in a decade.

I fully expect Ricoh to drop the Pentax line.

Their APS-C cameras are fantastic. Their full frame camera is the best value for the money - almost half the price of the competition with comparable quality. Pentax has unique features for the enthusiasts.

But ... the ecosystem is dying. Sigma stopped making Pentax lenses. At this point I don't think anyone makes lenses for Pentax other than Pentax, and Pentax lenses are expensive compared to Nikon and Canon. So while the Pentax full frame body is an excellent value, once you start adding lenses to the picture, Nikon and Canon still win in the total cost arena. Pentax FF has very few choices of modern lenses. You could buy their film era lenses, but supposedly modern ones are a lot better in quality.

I'm a Pentax user. Used to by an Olympus guy. Kind of sucks to have to go through this all over again.

Re: Olympus quits camera business after 84 years

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This is actually news to me... I bought a M43 camera a couple years ago because I thought it was a standard with staying power and a healthy ecosystem of lenses and bodies from many manufacturers. Is Panasonic the only one still producing M43 gear? I thought Fuji did as well, unless they decided to ditch it, too. I'd be upset if the standard disappeared!

I'm in a similar situation! I still use my trusty GF1 which is by far the best camera I have owned and I wanted to eventually upgrade and bring my lenses that I accumulated over the years with me. Olympus had a solid m43 lineup back when I last checked. I was always a little frustrated how some vendors just started their own mirrorless, fragmenting the business. Its a shame and I am afraid to what will happen with m4…

I bought myself a GF1 when I hit 1 year at my first job out of college, so it holds a very special place in my heart.

It is interesting to me that while phone cameras have improved by leaps and bounds in that period, progress in the M43 space seems much slower.

Re: Olympus quits camera business after 84 years

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Huh, the G9 has IBIS? I’ve never even stopped to look. My cameras (except the G7 when on vacation) live on tripods. But thanks!

Ha ha, quite the discovery seeing as your other comments reveal you own and shoot with one :-)

On a tripod. ;) Truth be told I bought it for HFR video, a bit better exposure/image quality so I don’t have to light myself in the face quite so hard, and because of the full-size HDMI port. The rest is gravy!
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