It's not about censoring or not censoring. It's about Facebook actually giving a shit about the state of the world it's in, and not just Mark Zuckerberg's incessant handwringing about "feeling disgust" but... doing nothing about it. Too long have abhorrent actions by Donald Trump gone completely unchecked by major platforms and, if Facebook won't even do the token step of doing something about a clearly racist and di…
Open your eyes and you will see a world filled with equally terrible or worse leaders. Once Facebook opens the box they need to draw an arbitrary line for every country in the whole world.
Given how Facebook has literally been used to incite genocide in Myanmar and how quickly they had to backpedal on that, they've already been drawing these lines.
If they're as opposed to violence as they say, it shouldn't matter if it's a leader or not.
Some of us have been in unionized industries prior. It also lead to promotion based on years served. Pay scales. And the protection of low performers. Right now engineers have incredible leverage. What do they gain by a union. Don’t like what Facebook is doing. Quit and work elsewhere. There’s plenty of jobs available
Here's a few lists of reasons for why SWEs might want a union: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15248774 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8498324 commandlinefan 3 months ago [–] Well, there’s a lot of philosophizing on here about what a hypothetical future with unionized programmers might look like; some good, some bad. We already know what a future without one will look like: open offices, JIRA ticket quotas…
So what you're saying is a union would try and prevent companies interviewing candidates to weed out the ones that can't code, would block its members from working in open offices regardless of their preferences (some people like them), protect workers who fix one bug per month just as much as those who fix ten and then ... the last parts I don't even understand really. Are you claiming that companies deliberately penalise education? That's not true at any company I've ever worked at.
It's not about censoring or not censoring. It's about Facebook actually giving a shit about the state of the world it's in, and not just Mark Zuckerberg's incessant handwringing about "feeling disgust" but... doing nothing about it. Too long have abhorrent actions by Donald Trump gone completely unchecked by major platforms and, if Facebook won't even do the token step of doing something about a clearly racist and di…
So get a Facebook account and disagree with Trump. That is up to you. It is not up to them.
I'm pretty sure that's the equivalent of screaming into the void.
What's with the cynicism in this posts? They're trying to make a point and bring awareness. Who cares how hard it is. At least they're doing something. To give them credit they're making a political statement at work when we're told not to talk politics at work.
Politics are extremely divisive (definitely in the US at this point).
Why is bringing them to the workplace a good idea? I mean we always talk about inclusion. What about people who have diverse political opinions.
Throwing out the baby with the bathwater, really putting the liberal in neoliberal. Never mind that existing efforts to organize engineers, such as the Tech Workers Coalition, mostly comprise those who often have leftist sympathies, and the caricature nativist union member is mostly an artifact of the 19th century, the above comment both ignores that most modern unions don't end up being xenophobic- are the Teamsters…
The problem with building a powerful weapon is that one day the weapon may be trained on you. Of course it isn't dangerous when it's just parts. But one day, when you've finished building it, someone will take possession of the weapon, and you won't control where they point it. Jeremy Corbyn has taught me that closing borders and leftist sympathies are not in opposition. And what will you do when that weapon is train…
Jeremy Corbyn lost the election, his chance for higher political power is over, so your fear would seem misplaced. Furthermore, you talk abstractions of political power (ignoring the fact that by participating in the forging of a weapon, you can put in the necessary safeguards and checks and balances to keep it a well-regulated arm), but fail to talk about the realities of working conditions and labor relations. By putting yourself in opposition to such a project, you cede any chance you have to shape the future of it, and stubbornly commit yourself to not building the aforementioned safeguards. You do you, but it sure sounds like an irresponsible abdication of power. At least libertarians who are anti-union because they perceive it as unnecessarily stifling to individualistic workers are honest about it, and don't bandy about some outdated bogeyman of Red Jezza as their excuse for being against unions.
Obviously and eventually. Shipmate before self and all.
> Obviously and eventually. "But please seize my business last"?
Marx makes a difference between the tradesman who has a small business employing other tradesmen and the oligarch who's salary is 300% greater than the workforce average.
You know that Marx isn't against all business right? It's the extreme inequality that's the problem.
So, like most small business owners we'd be seized well after the 1% (and even the 5%).
I support this walkout. As a small business owner all I've been able to do was purge my FB page profiles. I'm proud of them for taking a bigger step than I'm able to make. Working people of all countries unite. Seize the means of production!
they are not interested in the means of production, they just want the salary
And the health care, and 401k, and vacation time, and training (all of which we provide)
What's with the cynicism in this posts? They're trying to make a point and bring awareness. Who cares how hard it is. At least they're doing something. To give them credit they're making a political statement at work when we're told not to talk politics at work.
Because they're being hypocrites: they're not putting skin in the game, they're not resigning, they're just virtue signaling. So they don't actually care about what FB is doing. This is why they're being dismissed while Tim Bray received mostly applause.
That might be true, but their act brings awareness and does pr damage which is something.
A union leads to exactly what its members want it to lead to. It's a democratic entity.
It doesn't work that way. Boeing employees don't get to dictate what Boeing as a business does, only how it interacts with and compensates its workers. No union is going to change that.
Well they do with Airbus, and Volkswagen, and Bosch, and DHL, etc., because in Europe it is not uncommon for unions to have board seats. In Germany this is mandatory for corporations of a particular size, regulated by the works constitution act.