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Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by tinyhouse »

st1ck wrote: post #145
tinyhouse wrote: post #120

What happened to Floyd is horrible and police abuse is a real thing. I never understood why police officers in the US have no common sense. I recall many incidents where they shoot and kill people trying to escape (so no threat to them). I'm happy the public is doing something about it. However, I'm also annoyed by the stupidity of many people who blindly yell racism. Not so long ago there was a naked black male (Har…

I wonder if it's also a sexism. Public exposure is usually more acceptable for women than men.

That's true but I'm not sure it would've been the same if a woman did that. The main difference is how the public would react.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by 101404 »

Miner49er wrote: post #139
tinyhouse wrote: post #120

What happened to Floyd is horrible and police abuse is a real thing. I never understood why police officers in the US have no common sense. I recall many incidents where they shoot and kill people trying to escape (so no threat to them). I'm happy the public is doing something about it. However, I'm also annoyed by the stupidity of many people who blindly yell racism. Not so long ago there was a naked black male (Har…

Police don't defend normal people or communities, that's not their job. Their job is to enforce the law, no matter how unjust the law is. > We should support good police officers and not assume all are bad and racist. There is no such thing as a non-racist or good police officer. The police system as a whole is racist. Anybody who chooses to participate in and support that system everyday of their lives is racist.

> Police don't defend normal people or communities, that's not their job. Their job is to enforce the law, no matter how unjust the law is.

That's the difference between calling them "police" or calling them "law enforcement".

I think that it is no coincidence that Americans were "trained" to say "law enforcement".

Call them police, because a police officers first duty is to the community.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by josephorjoe »

myrion wrote: post #3
TeaDrunk wrote: post #2

Note that Minneapolis state police have claimed that the reporters were released from jail the following morning after confirming themselves as media, which CNN responded by saying they had identified themselves before their arrest and it was only through the Goverers interference that their reporters were released the following morning.

I mean, it happened live on air, they were clearly identified as CNN and willing to comply with police orders - making the police's claim laughable. I wonder what those officers were thinking, arresting a reporter on live camera.

> I wonder what those officers were thinking, arresting a reporter on live camera.

I'm guessing: "we do not want our actions in the next few minutes to be broadcast on live television"

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by xxs »

elliekelly wrote: post #132
ciarannolan wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Got it, thanks. I think I'd be okay with an even higher threshold before you get some kind of quasi-moderation powers. 250-500+ somewhere.

I could be mistaken but I thought even though users have the ability to flag a post the post itself doesn’t become “flagged” until several different people flag it.

Of course. That's the point: creating new accounts and getting 51 karma is not hard - there are no requirements to be "different people", just different accounts.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by kindatrue »

tinyhouse wrote: post #120

What happened to Floyd is horrible and police abuse is a real thing. I never understood why police officers in the US have no common sense. I recall many incidents where they shoot and kill people trying to escape (so no threat to them). I'm happy the public is doing something about it. However, I'm also annoyed by the stupidity of many people who blindly yell racism. Not so long ago there was a naked black male (Har…

Fun Fact: A court determined it was legal for the NYPD to discriminate against hiring police officers that had IQs too high.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/st...

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by kfrzcode »

monocasa wrote: post #115
stronglikedan wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not commenting on this particular case, since we don't have all of the facts yet, but it should only take seconds to comply with a lawful order, not minutes .

Just watch the video; it was a live broadcast of the whole encounter. They were told to move, asked where was OK to move, the cops didn't give an answer (ostensibly communicating with superiors over radio), and then they were simply arrested. There's no additional facts here.

Edit because thread depth:

Y'all were right, the footage I saw earlier was clipped after the girl had ran.

That's enough of trying to see all sides for me today. This week is hell.

----------------------- It was not a live broadcast of the "whole encounter" it was a live broadcast that started in medias res after the reporters were clearly surrounded by multiple officers of the law.

Not to mention that for the hour preceding 05:00 CDT, the National Guard and Minnesota State Troopers were announcing over loudspeakers that anyone in the area was to disperse immediately or face arrest.

So, it begs the question - what happened in the minutes leading up to when the camera started rolling?

Is it possible the crew had already been told to leave or they would be subject to arrest, and the crew did not follow this?

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by Miner49er »

tinyhouse wrote: post #147
Miner49er wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Police don't defend normal people or communities, that's not their job. Their job is to enforce the law, no matter how unjust the law is. > We should support good police officers and not assume all are bad and racist. There is no such thing as a non-racist or good police officer. The police system as a whole is racist. Anybody who chooses to participate in and support that system everyday of their lives is racist.

What drugs are you on? What's the alternative you're suggesting then? Are you saying we don't need police and everyone can just own a gun and defend themselves when they need to?

I'm just pointing out facts. The police's purpose is not to protect people. [1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

Anytime a police officer tries to fight the system they are a part of, they always cease to become a police officer. They're forced out. The system doesn't allow "good" police to exist.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by antoncohen »

monocasa wrote: post #107
JSavageOne wrote: post #98

How is it legal for a police offer to arrest someone without any warning, without even telling them why they're being arrested, and without probable cause? What are the repercussions for these officers for falsely arresting people? Do they suffer any consequences, or do they suffer no punishment for this injustice? This is extremely disturbing, and further evidence that the U.S. is a police state. I've never felt mor…

> How is it legal for a police offer to arrest someone without any warning, without even telling them why they're being arrested, and without probable cause? Cops can hold you for some amount of time, generally around 24 hours without cause. > What are the repercussions for these officers for falsely arresting people? None > Do they suffer any consequences, or do they suffer no punishment for this injustice? No punis…

> Cops can hold you for some amount of time, generally around 24 hours without cause.

This isn't totally true, at least not for the casual use of "cause". Cops must have "reasonable suspicion"[1][2] to detain, during that detainment they can discover more information which creates "probable cause", and probable cause allows them to arrest.

My guess is they were arrested for what is commonly called "resisting arrest"[3]. The way resisting arrest laws are unfortunately written, obstructing an officer in their duty is enough, they don't have to actually be resisting arrest. Basically of the cops told the CNN crew to get off the street, and the crew didn't, that would be "resisting arrest".

Minnesota's law:

> obstructs, resists, or interferes with a peace officer while the officer is engaged in the performance of official duties

Note that they were arrested, you can hear an officer say they are under arrest, but they haven't been charged or convicted. I doubt they will be charged. It is up to the county district attorney to press charges (the same DA who isn't pressing charges against the officer who killed George Floyd).

The press in the US are usually given a lot of freedom, and are allowed to be in places that the police don't allow regular citizens (riots areas, wildfire areas, etc.).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_suspicion

[2] https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-reasonable-susp...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resisting_arrest

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by brudgers »

JSavageOne wrote: post #98

How is it legal for a police offer to arrest someone without any warning, without even telling them why they're being arrested, and without probable cause? What are the repercussions for these officers for falsely arresting people? Do they suffer any consequences, or do they suffer no punishment for this injustice? This is extremely disturbing, and further evidence that the U.S. is a police state. I've never felt mor…

How is it legal

Police carry guns. Legal is not relevant.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by monocasa »

pionar wrote: post #137
monocasa wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How is it legal for a police offer to arrest someone without any warning, without even telling them why they're being arrested, and without probable cause? Cops can hold you for some amount of time, generally around 24 hours without cause. > What are the repercussions for these officers for falsely arresting people? None > Do they suffer any consequences, or do they suffer no punishment for this injustice? No punis…

> Cops can hold you for some amount of time, generally around 24 hours without cause. This is simply not true. Police may not keep you detained if they do not have probable cause or reasonable suspicion that you have committed a crime. However, in real life, they do this sometimes, even though it's been ruled unconstitutional. They do occasionally face repercussions. Thousands of civil rights lawsuits are settled qui…

> This is simply not true. Police may not keep you detained if they do not have probable cause or reasonable suspicion that you have committed a crime. However, in real life, they do this sometimes, even though it's been ruled unconstitutional.

They don't have to charge you, so they don't have to prove it.

> They don't suffer consequences enough, though, and depend on citizens not knowing that what the police are doing is wrong. It's also difficult due to the "thin blue line" BS where cops are elevated above the rest of society.

The police themselves hardly ever face consequences; the settlements come from the taxpayer.

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