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Re: Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices

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Dara's email was really well written, and felt as compassionate as one can for a letter from a CEO announcing job cuts. The full email: Team Uber: These have been unprecedented and challenging times for everyone—our societies, our governments, our families, our economies, all around the world. They’ve also been challenging for Uber, and many of you, as you’ve waited for us to define the road ahead. I’ve said clearly…

I don't consider Uber taxis an essential service, though. More a luxury. Internet is a essential utility service but Uber?

Re: Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices

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> Uber's business model is replacing FTEs Where are taxi drivers employees with benefits? At least in New York, they're mostly independent contractors. (A minority are sole proprietors.)

Look more at car service companies (Uber's original service), not taxis.

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Re: Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices

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Is shorter or zero severance unethical? We all enter into this employment contract knowing it could end abruptly from either party. If money is tight, they could afford longer severances for all if they cut 4000 instead. Does that not seem unethical toward the extra 1000 cut?

Regardless of legality and what the parties agreed to contractually, the fact remains that abrupt termination with zero severance is harmful for the former employee, especially in this economic climate. If the corporation pays a generous severance, the harm is reduced or eliminated. On a scale of ethicality, the more harmful an action is, the less ethical it is, so yes, paying severance is more ethical than not payin…

I find the terms "less and more" applied to ethical confusing. Telling a company to harm people a little instead of a lot is enabling.

My use of ethical here is strongly tied to obligation. e.g., it is kind to give money to a person, but not unethical if you chose not to especially if you can't afford to.

The way I understand you is that it's kinder/more sympathetic to provide a greater severance. This part I agree with!

Severance is not free, though. Increasing it will either cost Uber more heads or greater risk (and more heads later). I'm repeating this question: Is this not unethical to the retained employees?

Re: Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices

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Slightly off topic. What's tier 1/2/3 in the US? I had just heard that kind of system applied in China

San Francisco / Seattle / Boston / New York --- Austin / Salt Lake / Los Angeles / Portland / Atlanta --- Ann Arbor / Chicago / Minneapolis / Miami

Chicago is Tier 3? That doesn't seem right.

Re: Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices

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Dara's email was really well written, and felt as compassionate as one can for a letter from a CEO announcing job cuts. The full email: Team Uber: These have been unprecedented and challenging times for everyone—our societies, our governments, our families, our economies, all around the world. They’ve also been challenging for Uber, and many of you, as you’ve waited for us to define the road ahead. I’ve said clearly…

"I had to make this decision because our very future as an essential service for the cities of the world — our being there for millions of people and businesses who rely on us — demands it." This is only one sentence in an otherwise fairly measured email, but it nevertheless annoyed me given the context. Uber is not an "essential service". They made this decision so that they can stay in business to make money for th…

Ahh - the comment from the person with the multi-car garage, the tesla and the range rover.

Walk me through what folks without good car / transit access should be using? If cab companies are "essential" then uber is essential and preferred to cab companies in many markets.

A lot of folks on HN seems to be approaching this whole situation from the I have a ton of money, can work from home, have a car mental model.

Re: Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices

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I was let go today from Uber. If anyone is looking for a Frontend/Fullstack with 7yoe. I'm here :) Find me on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/travis-lawrence-b77400b8/

what's the worst way to contact you?

Contact me on Google Wave.

Re: Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices

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I was let go today from Uber. If anyone is looking for a Frontend/Fullstack with 7yoe. I'm here :) Find me on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/travis-lawrence-b77400b8/

Hey @travis12 - we're hiring at App Annie for Staff and Senior FE roles - https://boards.greenhouse.io/appannie/jobs/2172372

Re: Uber cuts 3000 more jobs, closes 45 offices

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"I had to make this decision because our very future as an essential service for the cities of the world — our being there for millions of people and businesses who rely on us — demands it." This is only one sentence in an otherwise fairly measured email, but it nevertheless annoyed me given the context. Uber is not an "essential service". They made this decision so that they can stay in business to make money for th…

There is a very simple way to determine if a service is essential or not. If it existed 15 years ago it might be essential, but if it did not, then it is definitely not essential. Human civilization arose and thrived for thousands of years without ride-share. We'll be fine (better off actually) without it.

Why 15 years? Why not 50? Or 150?

By those measures BTW, antibiotics, modern sewers and (for the most part) vacinations aren't essential.

And indeed they aren't, for the survival of the human race. They are, however, very important for the survival of individual humans.

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