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Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by tapland » Mon, May 04, 2020, 1:31 PM UTC

ikeboy wrote: post #116

Tenoke wrote: post #96

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All OSs have their issues. I use Windows and Ubuntu daily and have had work macbooks. In a lot of cases it does come down to what you are used to, as there are design differences that aren't necessarily worse or better but when you get used to one the other feels janky. At any rate, in Ubuntu's case things like display support are worse - especially multiple different DPI screens (yes, there are workarounds). UI is l…

I've seen this mentioned a few times now on HN as a drawback of Ubuntu. Are multiple monitors really that much of a benefit that so many people use them?

I would run Windows Vista if it was the only OS with multi monitor support. Its absolutely crucial for my productivity.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by leetcrew » Mon, May 04, 2020, 1:32 PM UTC

ikeboy wrote: post #116

Tenoke wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All OSs have their issues. I use Windows and Ubuntu daily and have had work macbooks. In a lot of cases it does come down to what you are used to, as there are design differences that aren't necessarily worse or better but when you get used to one the other feels janky. At any rate, in Ubuntu's case things like display support are worse - especially multiple different DPI screens (yes, there are workarounds). UI is l…

I've seen this mentioned a few times now on HN as a drawback of Ubuntu. Are multiple monitors really that much of a benefit that so many people use them?

absolutely. I find a pretty common workflow for me is writing code in one window while having documentation (or a header file) open in another. it's not the end of the world if I have to alt-tab back and forth, but it's much more efficient if I don't have to.

a 24-27" monitor suitable for coding is only $200-300. if you code for money, it seems like a no brainer to just get two.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by ashtonkem » Mon, May 04, 2020, 1:32 PM UTC

solarkraft wrote: post #133

ly wrote: post #15

Interesting to see they upgraded the RAM, but still kept it LPDDR3, even though all other Macs have DDR4 (except for the MacBook Air, which as LPDDR4X). At this price point I would honestly expect DDR4 in a "Pro" machine.

Wait, what? Hasn't DDR3 been phased out nearly everywhere about 5 years ago?

LP = low power. It gives Apple laptops incredible sleep times, and Apple will take LPDDR3 over DDR4 given that choice.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by ericcholis » Mon, May 04, 2020, 1:33 PM UTC

alexggordon wrote: post #125

I was curious how the 13 inch was priced so I compared it to a new Dell XPS 13. Dell has a better processor (maybe, [2]) , but I couldn't find the option to upgrade the Dell to 4TB internal SSD, so I compared both with the 2 TB option. Ram is the same at 32GB. Dell came out to $2399[0] USD and Apple came out to $2999[1] USD. Dell Pros: * Row of function buttons (I've used BTT to customize my touch-bar to the point wh…

I recently switched from an Air to an XPS 15 9570. I was very excited, it seemed to have all the best qualities of a MacBook, minus the shotty keyboard, and superior performance per dollar (at the time).

Things went downhill rather quickly. I've had massive cooling issues, I've removed and replaced the thermal paste. I've been forced to operate the laptop on the "Cool" thermal setting; downgrading the performance of the processor. Now, the two of the screws in palm rest, which hold the screen in place, have sheered right off. Doing some digging, this was commonplace with this particular model.

I'm not doing anything particularly intense either. Docker with a few containers running a dev website.

I can't speak for the latest XPS 15 7590 build quality however.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by SamuelAdams » Mon, May 04, 2020, 1:33 PM UTC

pram wrote: post #142

alexggordon wrote: post #125

I was curious how the 13 inch was priced so I compared it to a new Dell XPS 13. Dell has a better processor (maybe, [2]) , but I couldn't find the option to upgrade the Dell to 4TB internal SSD, so I compared both with the 2 TB option. Ram is the same at 32GB. Dell came out to $2399[0] USD and Apple came out to $2999[1] USD. Dell Pros: * Row of function buttons (I've used BTT to customize my touch-bar to the point wh…

Nice comparison but from personal experience I'd count the 'Killer' WiFi/BT as a giant negative on the XPS. I've had no shortage of issues with it on Linux and Windows.

That's really interesting. I've had a Killer wifi module in a Razer Blade Stealth running Debian 10 for about a year and I have never had any issues at all.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by jbverschoor » Mon, May 04, 2020, 1:33 PM UTC

jfkebwjsbx wrote: post #77

tsar9x wrote: post #6

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Well, competitors are still behind Apple. They offer worse touchpad, worse screens (it's either 16:9 or weird resolution), no macOS, worse speakers, worse microphone, worse battery.

Let's ignore no 120/144/240 Hz screens, no good GPU (or any dedicated GPU in most models), no CUDA, no Zen2, no workstation CPUs, no high-capacity RAM, finicky keyboard, bad warranty, no Linux support, bad Windows support, no proper OpenGL, no Vulkan, no Direct3D, no 32-bit software, no Ethernet, no FireWire, no USB-A, no optical drive, no HDMI, no DP, no VGA... Definitely all advantages! Let's also ignore all vendor…

FireWire is actually a trademark of Apple.

You probably mean IEEE-1394

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by emilfihlman » Mon, May 04, 2020, 1:33 PM UTC

Can we comment on the web design on the page?

That mouseover highlight and share option is obnoxious. It's strange that Apple went that route.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by Tepix » Mon, May 04, 2020, 1:34 PM UTC

Funny anecdote: Apple offers a trade-in when buying a new Macbook. I decided to have a look.

I entered the serial number of my Macbook Air 11" (Late 2010). I confirmed that it boots up, has no defects, has no optical faults and that I will include the power supply.

Apple offered 10€ ($12).

Yay?!

PS: This ancient notebook runs macOS High Sierra with the current 2020-2 security patch and sells for an astonishing 200€ on eBay.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by ashtonkem » Mon, May 04, 2020, 1:35 PM UTC

nickcox wrote: post #17

tsar9x wrote: post #6

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Well, competitors are still behind Apple. They offer worse touchpad, worse screens (it's either 16:9 or weird resolution), no macOS, worse speakers, worse microphone, worse battery.

No sure that no macOS makes competitors objectively worse.

Objectively? No, that’s clearly a subjective call. But it is a huge factor for why people keep buying macs.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by thanksforfish » Mon, May 04, 2020, 1:35 PM UTC

jbverschoor wrote: post #137

ianhowson wrote: post #127

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Agreed. MacBook Air has quad-core in similar clock ranges but tops out at 16GB of RAM. Pay an extra $1300-ish for Pro, you can get 32GB of RAM. There's literally nothing else in this refresh that's compelling. And the only reason I want that RAM is for Chrome.

Check out: The great suspender.

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