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Re: IE6countdown.com – a wolf in sheep's clothing

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Yes. A number of security augmentations in Windows 7 required significant modifications to the operating system kernel and user space environment (almost to the point of a rewrite in some cases). These modifications cannot happen in Windows XP without turning Windows XP into Windows 7.

Not enabled by default making them less effective than they should be.

What are you talking about? This is prima facie untrue.

Re: IE6countdown.com – a wolf in sheep's clothing

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XP is also unfixable. You just know more about web development than you do about permissions security.

Not true. First of all, I wouldn't use Windows at all on a machine I depended on for security. The fact is my XP box has never had a bug on it. It's fully patched, services off, behind a nat, with firefox and noscript. Acl's can be improved but I've never bothered. I admit it takes a lot of upfront prep to get XP safe to use, but it can be done if one has the knowledge. Who said I know anything about web development?…

So then you know about things like ASLR, service hardening, and default permissions separation right?

Re: IE6countdown.com – a wolf in sheep's clothing

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Alright, well I'm in security and I want people off Windows XP. What now? Do we fight over who has the more self-serving agenda? Please. Since when did Hacker News become about pandering to software development subfields?

"Since when did Hacker News become about pandering to software development subfields?" Since always. But, that's not the point. This whole conversation is about Microsoft referring people to a site that will help them upgrade their browser...the majority of people seeing the message and following those steps, will be upgrading to a browser that just isn't up to snuff. The page it links to does not show people how to…

But, that's not the point. This whole conversation is about Microsoft referring people to a site that will help them upgrade their browser...the majority of people seeing the message and following those steps, will be upgrading to a browser that just isn't up to snuff.

Expecting Microsoft to advocate people moving to a non-Microsoft product is idiotic.

I'm tired of dealing with Microsoft's problems, and I don't think it's fair that they use their market clout to keep putting their problems on my plate.

Let me get this straight -- your main complaint is that it's not fair?!

Re: IE6countdown.com – a wolf in sheep's clothing

#154
Why do Microsoft have such a difficult time, to this day, developing a decent web-browser? With their near infinite financial resources, surely it is no accident that IE has so many issues, uses tons of proprietary code, and doesn't support, for example, the tag until IE9.

Like a good capitalist you may argue that MS is not in the business of supporting standards, or it is not their job to make the lives of web developers easier. You'll argue that they are a business, and by locking in companies by using proprietary code, MS is being smart. To this I'd say that Google and Apple aren't exactly running charities yet they manage to produce web browsers that a truly first rate.

Re: IE6countdown.com – a wolf in sheep's clothing

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"Since when did Hacker News become about pandering to software development subfields?" Since always. But, that's not the point. This whole conversation is about Microsoft referring people to a site that will help them upgrade their browser...the majority of people seeing the message and following those steps, will be upgrading to a browser that just isn't up to snuff. The page it links to does not show people how to…

But, that's not the point. This whole conversation is about Microsoft referring people to a site that will help them upgrade their browser...the majority of people seeing the message and following those steps, will be upgrading to a browser that just isn't up to snuff. Expecting Microsoft to advocate people moving to a non-Microsoft product is idiotic. I'm tired of dealing with Microsoft's problems, and I don't think…

Yeah, I like it when people I work with, directly or indirectly, play fair. When they don't, I feel I have every right to criticize them for it, which is what I've been doing.

I believe Microsoft is doing the web (and me, as a developer for the web) a disservice, and I'd like them to stop damaging the web (and me).

Re: IE6countdown.com – a wolf in sheep's clothing

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Not enabled by default making them less effective than they should be.

What are you talking about? This is prima facie untrue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Execution_Prevention#Windo... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_space_layout_randomizat...

Backward compatibility prevents most of these from being utilized fully, a shame.

Re: IE6countdown.com – a wolf in sheep's clothing

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What are you talking about? This is prima facie untrue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Execution_Prevention#Windo... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_space_layout_randomizat... Backward compatibility prevents most of these from being utilized fully, a shame.

ASLR is mostly enabled, especially in 64-bit binaries. W^X protection is always enabled on 64-bit binaries. Service hardening and privilege separation are enabled by default always.
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