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Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Post by Zenbit_UX »

nilkn wrote: post #84
anoraca wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unlikely IMO. "Zoom, a Silicon Valley-based company, appears to own three companies in China through which at least 700 employees are paid to develop Zoom’s software. This arrangement is ostensibly an effort at labor arbitrage: Zoom can avoid paying US wages while selling to US customers, thus increasing their profit margin. However, this arrangement may make Zoom responsive to pressure from Chinese authorities." htt…

So Zoom is essentially a Chinese company with a formal outer shell in the US and 81% of its revenue coming from North America?

This explains how their web installer which is essentially glorified malware was made and not reported on some bay area dev's blog or leaked to the press immediately. I was always surprised that a US software team could make something like that in a consumer project in a prominent company and it not be talked about for so long.

Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Post by garmaine »

grugagag wrote: post #150
garmaine wrote: post #140

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The US does not start wars to distract from problems at home. That’s conspiracy horse manure. Whether you want to believe it or not, every president that has ever started a conflict or US involvement in an existing conflict has felt the action justified on foreign policy reasons. Those reasons might be something you object with, or even downright stupid in hindsight. But only in Hollywood is it ever a smoke screen fo…

I don’t see the humor in what you’re saying.

It wasn’t meant to be funny.

Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Post by wyclif »

runawaybottle wrote: post #36
whoisjohnkid wrote: post #4

Not surprising. Crazy how zoom in the beginning of the crisis was hailed for helping folks get together, but now with all the highlighted security concerns they are receiving a ton backlash. Hopefully they can recover and learn from this.

I’m more shocked that this massive tech industry has like one decent solution to remote video conferencing. Maybe we really have gone too far down the road of making bullshit apps, and stopped solving real problems. Shame on us.

And yet, almost nobody has commented on this sad state of affairs. You'd think there would be plenty of healthy competition in this space, but there is none. Why not?

Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Post by guug »

Zenbit_UX wrote: post #151
nilkn wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So Zoom is essentially a Chinese company with a formal outer shell in the US and 81% of its revenue coming from North America?

This explains how their web installer which is essentially glorified malware was made and not reported on some bay area dev's blog or leaked to the press immediately. I was always surprised that a US software team could make something like that in a consumer project in a prominent company and it not be talked about for so long.

Are you referring to the same "glorified malware" tricks that are used in Cisco's WebEx installer?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22815583

Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Post by icelancer »

jedberg wrote: post #135
icelancer wrote: post #114

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MS Teams is pretty good, but it's Microsoft so people aren't using it as much. Which is understandable.

Teams and Hangouts have the same problem -- they are hard to set up. Zoom "just works". My in-laws joined a Zoom conference without help. There is no way they would have figured out Hangouts or Teams.

Yeah, totally agree. Our company uses Zoom. I'm happy enough with it. I've been forced to use MS Teams though, and I actually like it a fair bit.

Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Post by jkaptur »

cosmodisk wrote: post #108
yibg wrote: post #57

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Why is having engineers in China cause for suspicion? Lots of tech companies have engineers in China. Eg Microsoft.

I very much doubt Microsoft does any serious development of their core products in China. Localisation,some local support and other,less sensitive stuff.

The folks I talked to who worked at Microsoft Research Asia said that they worked on Bing, Office, etc.

Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Post by nafey »

nilkn wrote: post #84
anoraca wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unlikely IMO. "Zoom, a Silicon Valley-based company, appears to own three companies in China through which at least 700 employees are paid to develop Zoom’s software. This arrangement is ostensibly an effort at labor arbitrage: Zoom can avoid paying US wages while selling to US customers, thus increasing their profit margin. However, this arrangement may make Zoom responsive to pressure from Chinese authorities." htt…

So Zoom is essentially a Chinese company with a formal outer shell in the US and 81% of its revenue coming from North America?

Isn't the holding company based in US? Aren't the majority of stockholders in US? Apple manufactures a lot of stuff in China so it a chinese company?

Re: Zoom sued for overstating, not disclosing privacy, security flaws

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Post by fock »

jamiequint wrote: post #146
fock wrote: post #107

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no, don't know what kind of mess they made; the official login is via SSO (and works with .zoom.us). to my understanding the account is typically created on login there (otherwise we would sync our whole list of employees with 100s of services...). and even if it was just a random invitation sent to an email they bought somewhere, it doesn't really explain how I could reset the password for my email then (without eve…

> otherwise we would sync our whole list of employees with 100s of services Could also have been created with SCIM and you're in a particular SCIM group that other folks are not in.

ok, that's interesting. And this is a really creepy thing from a privacy standpoint...
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