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Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

jdkee wrote: post #144

I have been watching the Cuomo NYS briefings for the past two weeks. This is what leadership looks like. He fucked up early with the "we won't shut down the economy" bit but has come around. Similarly, Gov. Pritzker of Illinois has been on top of this, apart from his fuckup of allowing the primary elections to to go through putting people on top of each other to maintain a regular election cycle. Mike DeWine has been…

Cuomo is what talking a big talk looks like. Leadership is SK, Taiwan, S'pore, and yes, even China. Solving problems is leadership. Posturing is something else, and it's what Cuomo's been doing.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by hkmurakami »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #146
hkmurakami wrote: post #142

I looked into additional entry ban countries since other posters here seemed to wonder about non-US countries. "As of March 27th Foreigners who have been in the following countries in the prior 14 days: Iceland, Ireland, [EDIT]Andorra, Italy, Iran, Estonia, Austria, Netherlands, San Marino, Switzerland, Sweden, Spain, Slovenia, Denmark, Germany, Norway, Vatican, France, Belgium, Portugal, Malta, Monaco, Lichtenstein,…

I’m a bit surprised they are letting people from China in at all. Wouldn’t a blanket ban like they are doing with the USA just be easier and more reliable to implement?

My understanding is that new cases of the virus in the coastal cities of China are quite low, and that they have a heavy handed testing/monitoring system in place with personal accountability given to the party reps stationed in each residence complex.

Also, Japan-China will always have trade and geopolitical considerations, for better or for worse. Lots of Japanese companies have offices and manufacturing plants in China that they'd like to continue operating as well as they can.

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Post by foobarbecue »

Part of 3 Blue 1 Brown's excellent latest video simulates travel restrictions and suggests they're not very effective: https://youtu.be/gxAaO2rsdIs?t=777 . However, that was only for cutting travel between all communities by a factor of 4, rather than completely banning travel between two particular communities / countries.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by Gibbon1 »

Animats wrote: post #58
vkou wrote: post #20

My only question is: "Why hasn't the world done this two weeks ago?" The US is failing to test on a massive scale, and the outbreak has been growing exponentially, week after week. Control measures are being taken, but on an inconsistent, fragmented basis.

The SF Bay Area did. We are 12 days into lockdown here. In a week or so we will know if it worked.

A lot of bay area tech companies implemented work from home policies a week before that.

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Post by triceratops »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #91
Barrin92 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The testing capacity is good now but the response to the actual pandemic is a disaster. If you have the president talk about packed churches on Easter you can soon save yourself the testing because it's going to be hard to find someone who isn't infected

It's important for the president to communicate the message that lockdowns are bad and they're trying to get people out of their homes as soon as possible. I don't think anyone believes the president is actually going to pack churches on Easter if there's still a large outbreak at the time, but that'll be 4 weeks after the national stay at home initiative started, so it's pretty in line with the durations other count…

> It's important for the president to communicate the message that lockdowns are bad

Why? I think we can all figure out by ourselves that lockdowns aren't fun. The people losing their jobs don't need to be told that - they have better experience than anyone else.

Leadership means communicating difficult truths and convincing people to do the right thing even when it's unpleasant.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

hkmurakami wrote: post #152
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a bit surprised they are letting people from China in at all. Wouldn’t a blanket ban like they are doing with the USA just be easier and more reliable to implement?

My understanding is that new cases of the virus in the coastal cities of China are quite low, and that they have a heavy handed testing/monitoring system in place with personal accountability given to the party reps stationed in each residence complex. Also, Japan-China will always have trade and geopolitical considerations, for better or for worse. Lots of Japanese companies have offices and manufacturing plants in…

They’ve shut off zhejiang, which is the richest coastal province and the heavy weight of trade...not to mention it abuts shanghai. I’m guessing that travel between japan and China is effectively disabled along with the rest of the world, given that even if a Chinese wanted to visit japan, they are looking at a 2 week quarantine on the way back, perhaps also on the way there.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by hkmurakami »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #156
hkmurakami wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that new cases of the virus in the coastal cities of China are quite low, and that they have a heavy handed testing/monitoring system in place with personal accountability given to the party reps stationed in each residence complex. Also, Japan-China will always have trade and geopolitical considerations, for better or for worse. Lots of Japanese companies have offices and manufacturing plants in…

They’ve shut off zhejiang, which is the richest coastal province and the heavy weight of trade...not to mention it abuts shanghai. I’m guessing that travel between japan and China is effectively disabled along with the rest of the world, given that even if a Chinese wanted to visit japan, they are looking at a 2 week quarantine on the way back, perhaps also on the way there.

Ah good point sorry about that.

You're right about 2 week quarantine when a traveler gets back to China. Also I believe inter-province travel is quite restricted right now adding to said difficulty of travel.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by rsynnott »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #91
Barrin92 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The testing capacity is good now but the response to the actual pandemic is a disaster. If you have the president talk about packed churches on Easter you can soon save yourself the testing because it's going to be hard to find someone who isn't infected

It's important for the president to communicate the message that lockdowns are bad and they're trying to get people out of their homes as soon as possible. I don't think anyone believes the president is actually going to pack churches on Easter if there's still a large outbreak at the time, but that'll be 4 weeks after the national stay at home initiative started, so it's pretty in line with the durations other count…

Some countries have said they’ll re-evaluate around the middle of April. Generally in the sense of potentially easing very strict lockdowns of the ‘“don’t go outside your house except to the supermarket unless you’re essential personnel” variety. Nowhere else but the US is claiming that as an end date, as far as I know.

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Post by idlewords »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #5

With all these provisions: if you've decided it would be a good idea to do, why not do it now? If it's a good idea now, it's going to be twice as good of an idea in three days. And it's going to be four times as good of an idea in six. Etc. Over and over again the organs of governments announce decisions that would be a good idea today that don't come into effect until a few days from now. Which means that the harm d…

They've been quarantining US arrivals for some time already.

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Post by billfruit »

JimTheMan wrote: post #33

I mean, I can't speak to how widespread the news is but Australia and NZ have already closed their borders to all foreigners. Europe has done the same, Peru etc etc. Should come as no surprise to anyone that Japan has done the same. If anything it has done it very late in the game. Majority of the spread for unaffected countries is going to be inbound from the outside... In Australia, the inbound cases for corona fro…

Atlest they didn't close borders to their own citizens, that's what some countries have done, and I feel is a terrible thing to do, closing doors on one's own nationals.
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