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(Disclosure: Zotero developer) Criticizing Zotero for privacy, of all things, is a bit bizarre. Zotero is an open-source project from a nonprofit organization with no financial interest in people's research data. It's designed as a local tool specifically to give people complete control over their data, and it's developed in the open. Most similar tools are proprietary programs owned by major publishers or analytics…
Zotero's privacy features even extend to where data is stored: you can bring your own WebDAV server [1] and have Zotero store data there. [1] https://www.zotero.org/support/sync#webdav
Zotero: Personal Research Assistant
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Well Firefox actually does (Web Push API): https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/push-notifications-fire... > Firefox maintains an active connection to a push service in order to receive push messages as long as it is open. The connection ends when Firefox is closed. I see what you're getting at, but I think the harshest criticism should be reserved for the worst services: those that actually hold your data hostage, d…
Wow. And agreed. One question, re "being a great offline solution", in what sense offline? Able to work without net? Thinking about dstillman's reply, I was thought-crawling towards a "local/remote vs online/offline" distinction. So Zotero would be local but always online (if net is available). Versus my expectation that when using only local resources, a local tool will be offline.
I think your expectation is reasonable (a local tool will be offline when using only local resources), and it's definitely possible with Zotero (disable the automatic translator/style updates) but just not the default setting.
On a technical level, I don't think there is a huge difference between polling and maintaining a persistent connection, if the polling interval is short or the keepalives are long. The real question that I'd find interesting is why the translator/style updates must be "instant". For my use, once a day or once every few hours would probably be more than sufficient.
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#154Does anyone know of a comparable tool for legal research (or plugin(s) that add this functionality to Zotero)? A good friend is in law school right now and has really been wanting a good citation manager, but when I pointed him to Zotero it ended up being lacking due to the absence of a standardized reference number and citation info that scientific papers have.
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> The UI is somewhat dated but the functionality is great. I like Zotero precisely because of its UI. It's efficient, and reminds me of the Firefox bookmarks manager. In fact, I wish I could replace or merge Firefox's bookmark manager with Zotero, so I'd get the best of both worlds.
Zotero is/was a XUL application, and the whole application used to (also) be a Firefox plugin. So the similarities are not unexpected.
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Thank you for your work. > designed as a local tool Nod, a local tool. I have various expectations of my local tools. And if I, say, start Zotero in the morning to read a paper, then exit it for a meeting, then return to it afterward, and then exit for lunch, then at least my own expectations for a local tool are, for example, in tension with those four centralized timestamps. As are the varying tcp routes as I move…
I think it's important to look at these things in the context of the features they're enabling and user expectations. The fact that Zotero is a local, configurable, open-source tool is what gives you complete control over it, but it's not just a local database. It's deeply connected to a world of constantly changing websites, metadata sources, and services, and using most of Zotero's features implies relying on those…
> configurable in one place in the software just isn't reasonable [...] auto-sync doesn't have anything to do with translator update checks
Microsoft has in one place (something very vaguely like) toggles to control the uploading of web history, hand writing, voice commands, and more. Different features of different apps. With explanations of the functionality lost if the user doesn't opt-in to each. One place, for privacy preferences.
The Zotero privacy documentation page similarly gathers in one place, recipes for opting-out of network-based features, with descriptions of use.
Software preferences having a privacy section is a thing. Firefox, chromium, etc.
I'm unclear on why it isn't reasonable for Zotero software to have similar.
> we consider privacy in all our decisions and believe we've made the right calls [...] If you disagree with a specific decision, that's fine — come to the forums and we can discuss
I suggest there's currently a shift in privacy best practices, from one-size-fits-all "make the right calls", to having user preferences for privacy.
So that's the sort-of clear disagreement.
But part of it may be a deeper difference in perspectives... perhaps call it network minimalism.
When using Zotero, I'd spend more time grovelling over previously collected papers, than collecting new ones. A task that could be done, without loss of functionality, with the net disconnected. My expectation then is, that this local tool, working with local data, will not then start using the net merely because it becomes available. Or rather, that I can easily dissuade such behavior.
Now perhaps that expectation is becoming "old fashioned", as we switch from desktop, to phone apps with only lightly bridled communication lives of their own.
Which might be an underlying issue. Zotero might be thought of as a phone app which just happens to run on desktop-local data. Or it might be thought of as a traditionally desktop application. Design decisions appropriate to the former, might feel a bit odd in the latter. "Local tool" might mean different things.
> I can't recall a single complaint about our approach
In this thread, there was someone suggesting my short paraphrasing of the linked docs was getting it totally wrong. I'm not sure how widely your users are even aware of the approach. It seems users generally aren't. Which, tying things back around, is one of the motivations for having clearly explained privacy preference options.
Thanks for an interesting conversation. Just in case you haven't seen it, the subthread with jmiserez might also be of interest.
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Wow. And agreed. One question, re "being a great offline solution", in what sense offline? Able to work without net? Thinking about dstillman's reply, I was thought-crawling towards a "local/remote vs online/offline" distinction. So Zotero would be local but always online (if net is available). Versus my expectation that when using only local resources, a local tool will be offline.
I think dstillman put it best, the features that make Zotero actually useful need to connect to the internet, like fetching metadata. You wouldn't want to enter everything by hand (but you can). I think your expectation is reasonable (a local tool will be offline when using only local resources), and it's definitely possible with Zotero (disable the automatic translator/style updates) but just not the default setting…
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#159The problem with this (and Mendeley, Papers, Bibtex, etc.) is that each paper/thought is isolated. Roam Research ( http://roamresearch.com/ ) is my new jam.
How does Roam differ from a wiki app like Zim/Tomboy?
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#160The problem with this (and Mendeley, Papers, Bibtex, etc.) is that each paper/thought is isolated. Roam Research ( http://roamresearch.com/ ) is my new jam.
I'm gently easing myself into the Roam knowledgebase management style by using Emacs+org-mode+org-roam. It's definitely one of those topics where you could spend a huge amount of energy organizing but not much actually doing :) Regarding roamresearch.com: How do you find yourself writing/organizing pages? Daily journal with a log of what you did first, then linking out from there? (don't feel pressured to write a nov…
I'll usually just start putting things into Daily Notes, but if a connected set of notes gets too long, I'll make a separate page and add a [[]] link in the Daily Note.