As a viewer I dont really feel (and defiantly do not see) the difference between how physically prepared e-sports or real life drivers are. I see track, cars, racing lines, overtakes. So I really enjoy watching e-racing. Only complain is that e-racing spectating camera work needs improvements. There is huge untapped potential in how e-racing is presented. I hope games will experiment more in this (spectating) direction.
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#152I've been thinking about getting my sports-starved friends and family into watching CS:GO tournament play. It would have never crossed my mind before, but we live in a different world now and that is among the best esports has to offer.
Wow! I understood it right? Your family is now able to watch CS:GO match? Can they last a full BO3?
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#153As someone who has raced formula race cars and who has been an enthusiastic participant in racing simulations since way back in the old days of Grand Prix Legends let me assure you - a simulated race car has almost nothing in common with the real experience other than your hands are turning a wheel and your feet push pedals. The sensations in a real race car are simply overwhelming - the noise, g forces, heat, and th…
> a simulated race car has almost nothing in common with the real experience other than your hands are turning a wheel and your feet push pedals.
Real life engineer made a data analysis between a virtual F3 car vs real F3 car, keep in mind rfactor is an old sim from 2005, sure you can't (Yet) replicate the g-forces of the real thing but everything else is pretty close.
https://drracing.wordpress.com/2014/01/03/how-close-is-close...
"From lap time simulation to driver-in-the-loop: a simple introduction to simulation in racing"
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#154It's definitely not circuit racing, but I had some experience in Rally driving for about 10 years. Did mostly gravel stuff, and did the UK WRC round 4 times in a self built car. Definitely low budget (and low talent!) stuff, but I think I have some experience and know how a car should handle on a loose surface. I've never found a rally driving game that handles like a real car. The physics always seems off - in Dirt…
Richard Burns Rally is often touted as the closest to reality. I know Nikolai Gryazin (WRC2) plays fairly often - he actually used it to practice the Czech stage Semetin before going on to win it in real life: https://m.rally-base.com/2019/barum-czech-rally-zlin-2019/?s...
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
The gamers are generally faster because the games are not perfect simulations of reality.
A few of the real drivers are also highly ranked simmers as well. Max Verstappen (one of the best drivers in F1) is commonly seen in public iRacing races
Obligatory reference to him practicing an overtake [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y5-DZNjBOg&feature=youtu.be] before doing it in real-life. Also see https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Max-Verstappens-move-on-the-out... .
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#156After reading the article I'm not entirely sure all these drivers did participate in the race using their own setups while staying home. Especially after this part: "[Pike] and Majors tried to fill up a field that reflected this big tent, letting in fellow NASCAR crew members, as well as some public relations and social media specialists." Can someone please tell me they did not turn a strong recommendation to avoid…
Metaphorically, "field" means the group of people competing, and "big tent" means an inclusive group. So there's a natural interpretation that doesn't mean they all gathered in one place.
Ah thanks, I suspected something like that but wasn't sure how to read this.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly. It could be that this guy was just born to be a real racing driver but never realised until too late, or just didn't want that career. And that a good racing driver is likely to be a good simulation player.
Being born with magic special powers isn’t high on the list of explanations I’d reach for.
I guess I worded it weirdly, but isn't that the same as just having an innate talent?
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#158As someone who has raced formula race cars and who has been an enthusiastic participant in racing simulations since way back in the old days of Grand Prix Legends let me assure you - a simulated race car has almost nothing in common with the real experience other than your hands are turning a wheel and your feet push pedals. The sensations in a real race car are simply overwhelming - the noise, g forces, heat, and th…
To me, the interesting question is not whether the experience is the same for the driver, because obviously it cannot be. What's interesting is whether the skills transfer. I would assume they do to some degree, but there are probably bits you can't learn except by doing. The reason why the question is interesting is because I love the notion that you can train in a less expensive context and then perform in a higher…
Felix Rosenquest (IndyCar driver) was talking about sim racing and he said that it depends on the driver. Some drivers feel the car by their body/ass and they will struggle for a while in a sim because there is no feedback from G-forces and the sort.
Other drivers which mostly take their information visually, they tend to do much better and have less issue adapting.
Obviously the feel is not the same, but many drivers use it for training and find it quite enjoyable and useful. To dismiss it because you don't smell fuel and tyres or get g-loads in the corners is too simplistic.
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
> As someone who has raced formula race cars and who has been an enthusiastic participant in racing simulations since way back in the old days of Grand Prix Legends let me assure you - a simulated race car has almost nothing in common with the real experience other than your hands are turning a wheel and your feet push pedals. The sensations in a real race car are simply overwhelming - the noise, g forces, heat, and…
Hahaha racing on an empty track in a car that’s built to handle like a go cart is nothing like the stress of a circuit race with other cars. I used to race my modified turbo 500hp and I can tell you that game racing is nada to real life racing. Even knowing that taking a risk can cost you $$$ or your life is stressful enough. With other cars on the track it’s many more variables to calculate and consider. So let’s no…
But would a real racing car driver be able to compete in the game? It's kinda obvious that the other way around wouldn't work very well, but what about this?
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
What separates some of the new generation racers from the old is that the new generation F1 racers are better at translating between sim and on-track. This was very clear with the Vettel/Hamilton generation, but even more so now. It isn’t so much a question of realism, but usefulness as preparation and working out a plan and a rythm.
Verstappen is probably the best example of this in F1. He is both a world class real world racer and a frequent online player as well. His reason for not joining the new virtual Grand Prix is that he apparently hasn't had a chance to get into the F1 2019 they're using for it.
He thinks the game is shit and he is not wrong. F1 2019 is mostly a single player career mode game with multiplayer bolted on. It's not really a sim, it might even be pushing to call it a simcade.
Max is competing all the time in more serious sims like IRacing, rFactor2 or the like.
Lando is taking it a bit more casually so he is racing in F1 2019 as well, but he participates in iRacing races as well.