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Re: Indian police open case against hundreds in Kashmir for using VPN

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Post by pscz »

owaislone wrote: post #131
connectsnk wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am in Jammu(India) right now and can attest that comments like above are only opinions and not facts. As goes for any country, people keep inventing stuff / leaving crucial details because of their own biases and self interests. The same goes for people who support BJP.

Anyone remotely familiar with the region would know that Jammu is virtually the same as rest of India when it comes to Indian state policies regarding the state of J&K. Kashmir is an entirely different story and that is what is being discussed.

Most Western media wrongly includes Jammu, Ladakh and other parts of J&K in their coverage of Kashmir. Google "12 million people + Kashmir". The population of the Muslim-majortiy Kashmir Valley is 6.9 million.

Interestingly Pakistan demands/consider all of Jammu, Kashmir and Ladakh to be Pakistani territory. There is maybe a case for the Sunni Muslim-majority Kashmir Valley joining Pakistan but I don't think other parts of J&K will join them.

Re: Indian police open case against hundreds in Kashmir for using VPN

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Post by ra7 »

selimthegrim wrote: post #146
shripadk wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely right. It is ridiculous to think that the Government will not restrict communications in a region that has seen nothing but violence and terrorism for the past 30 years since the Exodus of Kashmiri Pandits. For the first time in 3 decades the Valley is peaceful. If it comes down to choosing between deaths of innocents by deranged terrorists and cutting communication I would always choose the latter. The Pu…

Is this the plan? Are the Pandits when they return going to be the only ones allowed unrestricted internet facility?

I don't see where the comment you replied to suggested this.

Re: Indian police open case against hundreds in Kashmir for using VPN

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Post by hnews_account_1 »

owaislone wrote: post #132
shripadk wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely right. It is ridiculous to think that the Government will not restrict communications in a region that has seen nothing but violence and terrorism for the past 30 years since the Exodus of Kashmiri Pandits. For the first time in 3 decades the Valley is peaceful. If it comes down to choosing between deaths of innocents by deranged terrorists and cutting communication I would always choose the latter. The Pu…

How many times did you visit the valley in the last 30 years? Please tell us how peaceful or violent it was during your last 5 visits. Please, also tell us how exactly this is bringing peace to the valley and if banning phones and internet for months has been so effective, then why did 1988-95 see the most unrest? If I remember correctly, mobile phones with EDGE/GPRS were introduced to Kashmir around what year? 2002?…

I have been there multiple times - to Jammu in particular. I'm a 90s kid and in all my life, I have seen an army presence in the region due to the fear of terrorism. Tanks have always had some movement visible to the public at all times (even when it was relatively peaceful).

And here's the kicker - everyone thinks the civilisation is anti muslim. The reason I went to Jammu many times is to visit a Hindu temple there. It sits atop a mountain and you have to climb it by foot. Nowadays they have costly helicopter rides to get to the top, but back in the day all you had were either horses (kinda limited) or manual labourers who offered to carry you up / down in palanquins or directly on their backs. Literally all of them have always been muslims.

The temple and its surrounding areas are completely smothered by the army because they know that this is a very holy ground for the Hindus. If there ever were a terrorist attack aimed at it (or even the whiff of it), there will be blind violence on the streets against all muslims and immediate call for war against pakistan. The same army people know most of these muslim labourers and don't give a shit about them.

Does that mean that the army does not at all attack based on religious profiling? No. The army has done very unethical profiling based on religion in the region in the past. My point is if I didn't include this disclaimer, I can also make up stories of any given bent and literally all of my facts would be true.

Re: Indian police open case against hundreds in Kashmir for using VPN

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Post by nu2ycombinator »

_jgdh wrote: post #109
nu2ycombinator wrote: post #56

Misleading Title. It is not about using VPN but about propagating rumors. This is a law in India, as there were instances of riots caused by social media rumor. Actual News ----------- The FIR has been registered while taking cognisance of the social media posts by miscreants by using different VPNs, which are propagating rumours with regard to the current security scenario in the Kashmir valley, secessionist ideolog…

Tell me Young Techie, how do you tell the difference between someone who is alleged to have spread rumours and someone speaking the truth? And when you say you totally support it, do you support everything the BJP has done?

Seems like your comments motivated mainly based on anti BJP than the topic in discussion. Just to keep your mind at peace, From this point onwards, I 100% support BJP.

Re: Indian police open case against hundreds in Kashmir for using VPN

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Post by owaislone »

yumraj wrote: post #150
owaislone wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many times did you visit the valley in the last 30 years? Please tell us how peaceful or violent it was during your last 5 visits. Please, also tell us how exactly this is bringing peace to the valley and if banning phones and internet for months has been so effective, then why did 1988-95 see the most unrest? If I remember correctly, mobile phones with EDGE/GPRS were introduced to Kashmir around what year? 2002?…

Was it peaceful enough that Kashmiri Pandits could return without fear of being killed? If no, then it was not peaceful..

Not sure what that has to do with BANNING 10 MILLION PEOPLE FROM USING INTERNET for 5 months and then banning all social media but from my experience of meeting Pandits in Srinagar who HAVE returned, yes.

Plus, OP implied that Kashmir is peaceful now because of people not having internet access. Are you now saying until Pandits return, Kashmir will have no internet access?

Re: Indian police open case against hundreds in Kashmir for using VPN

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Post by xkemp »

friendly_fren wrote: post #45
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They say "anti-nationalist" is a bad thing? Wow.

Why do you think nationalism is bad?

Just look at the ugly violence of nationalistic hatred currently gripping, oh I don't know.. let's say India?

If that's too much recursion, consider the World War I and II (among many others), both being based essentially in nationalism.

Re: Indian police open case against hundreds in Kashmir for using VPN

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Post by jdfellow »

hnews_account_1 wrote: post #144
jdfellow wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since when was India a nation? It's got dozens of languages, two major religions (one of which is more of an ecumenical blending of ancient practices), and many ethnic groups and cultural norms. A nation is by definition homogeneous or nearly so across these variations. By my estimation India is an empire, and nationalism makes no sense in its context. Patriotism maybe, or political loyalty. Just seems like a weird c…

Hinduism is not "an ecumenical blending of ancient practices". It has well defined rituals, rites and codes. They were simply allowed to be modified as necessary by anyone since the ancients essentially believed in freedom to appease your god as you wanted. The core of Hinduism remains the vedas, gita, the puranas and the upanishads. They lay out a very deep philosophy that theologians much more educated than I am ha…

Thanks for the insight.

Re: Indian police open case against hundreds in Kashmir for using VPN

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Post by lozaning »

manigandham wrote: post #123
CamperBob2 wrote: post #72

The majority of the population has blind faith in BJP. The only demographic that appears to realise the implications well enough is the youth in urban areas - a very insignificant fraction of the nation's population. Sounds all too familiar here in the US. We are effectively held hostage by rural voters, and the obvious remedy for this state of affairs -- abolishing the Electoral College -- will mean that those voter…

Who is "we"? This is how democracy works, and those rural voters have a say in what happens. This country would crumble within months without all those flyover states contributing to the nation.

Curious as to your line of thinking here. What exactly do the coasts need that only flyover country can provide?

I live in a flyover state and I like living here just fine, but I find the idea that California is going to crumble if North Dakota stops supporting it to be hilarious.

Re: Indian police open case against hundreds in Kashmir for using VPN

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Post by gentleman11 »

definitelyRobot wrote: post #20

As a young tech person in India, this stuff makes me so angry. The ruling party here (BJP) doesn't have any real competition. Which means they can get away with pretty much anything. They've banned VPNs. They'll chuck you in prison if you speak against the government or a politician. Then they'll brand you as an "anti-nationalist" and openly say to their supporters that you deserve to be shot. Facial recognition is n…

I’m terrified this is the future of the entire world

Re: Indian police open case against hundreds in Kashmir for using VPN

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Post by nu2ycombinator »

1ris wrote: post #73
nu2ycombinator wrote: post #56

Misleading Title. It is not about using VPN but about propagating rumors. This is a law in India, as there were instances of riots caused by social media rumor. Actual News ----------- The FIR has been registered while taking cognisance of the social media posts by miscreants by using different VPNs, which are propagating rumours with regard to the current security scenario in the Kashmir valley, secessionist ideolog…

Suppressing secession is tyranny. India should know a thing or two about that.

It is not tyranny, when it involves terrorism. There were multiple demands for secession in the past across Punjab, assam and all were resolved through dialog. Problem with Kashmir is, it Foreign Funded terrorism and there were attempts for discussions in the past and which didn't work
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