Here's the repo for obtaining the tweets, if anyone's interested: https://github.com/mathdroid/twitter-dev-salaries-scraper
Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets
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#152Wrong way of showing the data. Column order of the data should be Name Company Salary City ..... and so on. Irrelevant details should be towards right end so that people don't have to scroll to see the relevant data.
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's an interesting question. I'm personally aware of several large companies in my area which, due to diversity pressure, blatantly discriminate in favor of minorities and women. The performance required from a white man in an interview for the same job is higher. That is to say that a white man will be openly discarded in favor of a minority/woman with a similar background when applying for the same job. This is…
It's the opposite in my experience (at least outside of the bay area). All the engineers on my team seem to want to hire people who are like them, and are not incentivized to give minorities an easier time. The standards seem to be higher when the candidate isn't a white or Indian male.
Throughout my career I have only seen a desire for more women. Perhaps looking at those candidates a little more openly and giving then a chance.
I haven't seen a racial aspect where whites only hire whites either. I have worked in places that only hired white/black/asian and in others that only hired white/black/indian. I have never seen a true mix of asian and indian aside from government work. I've always wondered about that.
It feels like white/black/brown/yellow is not as acceptable yet. But various combos are.
A lot of it is nationalist or language based. A black person from the US is treated as the same as a white person from the US vs a white person for Europe generally because of language differences.
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#154I always support disclosing salary information but I found it silly that the original tweet was prefaced with some greater goal of helping minorities or disadvantaged people. The subtext was clearly a flex to show how good developer salaries are in the USA, and by disguising it as doing some social good the tweet came off as distasteful. A person in Nigeria is not being helped by the person in US disclosing their sal…
A person in Nigeria may work remotely for a US company, therefore the information about salaries may be useful.
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#155One of the main ways that employers keep salaries down is information asymmetry. A large business knows with certainty what salary their employees accept, and will have high quality statistical reports on what their competitors pay. Individuals especially near the start of their careers have much less information on what salary corporations may pay. The corporations use this information advantage to help in salary ne…
This helps:
From my experience (I manage folks in one of those companies) it seems to be pretty accurate.
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#156This doesn't seem particularly useful, as the data set is small, and biased toward those who are willing to report their salaries on twitter. Aside from the possibility that at least some of these reports misreport the actual salary, and likely over-state, it also seems likely that those who report salaries on twitter make above average relative to their peers.
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#157In my experience https://www.levels.fyi provides much better information than random tweets. Not everyone works for a FAANG, but it's useful to know what their influence is in the market.
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#158Contrarian view: salary disclosure destroys value for people with negotiating skills, which are among the most valuable and useful skills of all.
Disclosure advantages people who collude to apply political pressure (gang up) instead of appealing to principles or leveraging their skill and the value they bring. There is general social and economic harm to facilitating this behaviour.
Disclosure lowers all boats in that it causes mean-reversion in the sample, and reduces opportunity and incentive for people to apply themselves and succeed, and prevents valuable and exceptional people from joining the company because their salary expectations are not "to scale."
Disclosure absolves managers of the need to negotiate effectively, which means you get managers who can't negotiate, which is the worst possible outcome for a company, since what is their job again?
It's great to have data for negotiating. I use a bunch of different data sources and options, and I also avoid organizations who say they "don't negotiate," because it means they literally just bully people.
Have at it.
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Nothing can come good out of sharing my salary with current coworkers. Care to expand?
If I make more than they do and they think they should make the same amount, what’s to stop them from storming into the HR department and bringing my name up as a reason that they should make more? Even though it is illegal to fire someone for discussing salary, that and a nickel will buy me a piece of five cent candy. If they make more than I do, what am I going to do with that piece of information? I can’t very wel…
When I learned that the (more talented) women on a team earned less than the men (maybe less negotiating, IDK), I said something to the team manager. No idea if it did anything, but I hope it did. And I certainly wouldn't have said anything if I hadn't known the discrepancy.
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are black and female software engineers in USA right now the demographic that really needs helping? Im not American, so I probably need clarification, but what is their current situation compared to white males in the same position at a company?
That's an interesting question. I'm personally aware of several large companies in my area which, due to diversity pressure, blatantly discriminate in favor of minorities and women. The performance required from a white man in an interview for the same job is higher. That is to say that a white man will be openly discarded in favor of a minority/woman with a similar background when applying for the same job. This is…
Is the company in question now mostly composed of minority hires? I am personally opposed to diversity quotas, however, whenever I've heard the suggestion that a company is discriminating against white men, the company in question also happens to be staffed almost entirely by white men, so I wonder how that ends up happening.